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The reason that everything is so not integrated is because of the American culture of containment. You have very very different kinds of people living in close

The reason that everything is so not integrated is because of the American culture of containment. You have very very different kinds of people living in close physical proximity who often want nothing to do with each other. Think East Palo Alto and Palo Alto for example, especially in the 90s when East Palo Alto had the highest murder rate per capita in the U.S. Nowadays, physical proximity means less and less. Relationships are even becoming less integrated. Yes you can interact with other people, but only as coworkers and paid professionals. Don't cross any weird lines. Even asking someone to engage in friend activities is getting more rare as most people prefer online friends, since they have more in common with them. The throughly modern American asks "Why would you need to be in physical proximity to someone anyway unless it was necessary for work? That's so creepy!". Lately, Tinder and friends have really stripped the last actual need for non-work physical proximity with any indivuals who have not been pre-screened via the algorithm.

extradego 8y ago
>throughly modern American You baby-boomers need to speak for yourselves only and keep me out of it. (Assuming you mean "modern" as in contemporary. If you mean the more canonical "modern", sorry for the react.)
- vanattab 8y ago
  Are baby-boomers some how too old to be allowed to consider themselves as part of our contemporary society?
  - extradego 8y ago
    I wish. You people are a disgrace.
    - i_am_nomad 8y ago
      “Exxxxcellent... another sucker has bought into the generational warfare meme we’ve been selling. Divide and conquer!” - the media
      - dragonwriter 8y ago
        “Excellent—another sucker had bought into blaming the distribution mechanism rather than the group directing it for the message we pay for it to transmit!” — the capitalist class
      - dang 8y ago
        Please don't do this here.
    - dang 8y ago
      We've banned this account for violating the rules and spirit of this site. Generational warfare isn't an ok thing here. Same for ideological battle. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future.
thatfrenchguy 8y ago
“You have very very different kinds of people living in close physical proximity who often want nothing to do with each other.” Knowing that the US is probably one of the most segregated countries, this makes me smile :-)
- CapitalistCartr 8y ago
  The US is a widely diverse country, including internally. Milwaukee is quite segregated, Sacramento isn't. There is a wide spread, depending on where you are. Overall, the US is about average diversity compared to other countries.
  - AnthonyMouse 8y ago
    > Overall, the US is about average diversity compared to other countries. I don't think that's accurate. Europe is almost entirely European, Asia is almost entirely Asian, Africa is almost entirely African. Even Wisconsin at 86.5% white is less white than most European countries. And Milwaukee itself is 40% black and 17.3% Latino. The countries that come anywhere close to the US on diversity are predominantly the other countries in the Americas.
    - vilmosi 8y ago
      > I don't think that's accurate. Europe is almost entirely European, Asia is almost entirely Asian, Africa is almost entirely African This has to be sarcasm, right? If not, this view is very wrong because it views diversity in a manner that's purely and literally skin deep.
      - AnthonyMouse 8y ago
        When people talk about diversity, the diversity they want is typically cultural, but race and culture are strongly correlated. There aren't a lot of ethnic Africans who are culturally Japanese or ethnic Europeans who are culturally African American. Which means there aren't a lot of people of any race who are culturally Japanese in Africa or culturally African American in Europe.
tajen 8y ago
Re: Tinder. The #metoo campaign has helped a lot too, frightening men into never doing real-life courting. “There’s a place to do such things!”, we’ve heard, namely (paid) clubs, Tinder and other commercial places.
- intopieces 8y ago
  The men scared away from courting by the #metoo movement are exactly the kind that should stay out of the dating pool until they are ready to respect women. Good to hear the movement is working.
  - serf 8y ago
    >The men scared away from courting by the #metoo movement are exactly the kind that should stay out of the dating pool until they are ready to respect women. You're so wrong. There is plenty of 'collateral damage' from folks that just want to avoid litigation more-so than they desire a relationship.
    - xapata 8y ago
      No, you're so wrong. Sorry, just had to throw it back at you to emphasize how silly it sounds. I'm guessing you're referring to people that want to date their co-workers? Otherwise, it's hard to think of who else might worry about litigation when considering a romantic overture.
      - tajen 8y ago
        Ever heard of this taxi driver in Israel who got hit by a rape accusation, but was able to show the camera records to prove that it was a false complaint and the girl only got upset because the taxi driver told her to stop smoking in the car? Ever heard of so many false accusations from women, that are only used to fire a coworker, a CEO, a boss? Ever heard of couch promotions, where the girl shows her [redacted], only to claim a #metoo later in her career? Ever heard that a man who calls the police against a woman has 50% chances (in France), 70% chances (in USA) and 85% chances (in Israel) that the police takes HIM to custody? Ever heard that accusations are weaponized nowadays? Really, “it’s hard to think of who else might worry about litigation when considering a romantic overture” ??? Pretty much every man, whether or not they actually did anything. You have no idea what kind of terror men live under nowadays. Several times I had to convince male victims of false accusations not to throw a mass murder. That’s the level of injustice that you’re generating against men. It’s as-ton-ish-ing that some people are still ignorant of that. Even most women I meet are aware that the #metoo campaign was disastrous in terms of fairness, justice and legitimacy. And I’m starting to meet many men who never want to work with women. Talk about a success.
hartator 8y ago
Might it be you just getting older.
wool_gather 8y ago
Wow, just one short leap from cars to a kids-these-days rant about Tinder?
mygo 8y ago
> The throughly modern American asks "Why would you need to be in physical proximity to someone anyway unless it was necessary for work? That's so creepy!". If that’s the case then I disavow all things “modern.” Nothing exciting to me at all about putting up walls between me and the people I actually see in person. Maybe this is why I deleted my facebook a few years back, call when a few texts become a back and forth conversation, push for meet ups, and don’t use Tinder. I really don’t want to live in a world where the majority of our human-to-human communications is tapping on glass.
icantdrive55 8y ago
I think you are overthinking the Bay Area? The Bay Area was built when America was great. Jobs were plentiful. You could be a hippie, work a chit job, or union job. You bought a house, and had three kids. People were more spiritual. People didn't know about other cultures because we didn't know about them. They just built homes. One of the priciest places to live is Marin County. In the 70's, it was mainly blue collar workers. Before that it was a vacation spot for San Francisco residents. Now--the price of a average home is far from the reach of most Americans. My point is they just built a bunch of single family homes without much planning. Tech took off, and made the place some utopia? You all came here, and look at the place. In all honesty, I'll be glad when tech money dries up. The traffic is just terrible. Along with too many people who didn't fit the part of a tech worker are homeless now, or have to live with a bunch of strangers.

extradego 8y ago

>throughly modern American You baby-boomers need to speak for yourselves only and keep me out of it. (Assuming you mean "modern" as in contemporary. If you mean the more canonical "modern", sorry for the react.)

vanattab 8y ago
Are baby-boomers some how too old to be allowed to consider themselves as part of our contemporary society?
- extradego 8y ago
  I wish. You people are a disgrace.
  - i_am_nomad 8y ago
    “Exxxxcellent... another sucker has bought into the generational warfare meme we’ve been selling. Divide and conquer!” - the media
    - dragonwriter 8y ago
      “Excellent—another sucker had bought into blaming the distribution mechanism rather than the group directing it for the message we pay for it to transmit!” — the capitalist class
    - dang 8y ago
      Please don't do this here.
  - dang 8y ago
    We've banned this account for violating the rules and spirit of this site. Generational warfare isn't an ok thing here. Same for ideological battle. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future.

thatfrenchguy 8y ago

“You have very very different kinds of people living in close physical proximity who often want nothing to do with each other.” Knowing that the US is probably one of the most segregated countries, this makes me smile :-)

CapitalistCartr 8y ago
The US is a widely diverse country, including internally. Milwaukee is quite segregated, Sacramento isn't. There is a wide spread, depending on where you are. Overall, the US is about average diversity compared to other countries.
- AnthonyMouse 8y ago
  > Overall, the US is about average diversity compared to other countries. I don't think that's accurate. Europe is almost entirely European, Asia is almost entirely Asian, Africa is almost entirely African. Even Wisconsin at 86.5% white is less white than most European countries. And Milwaukee itself is 40% black and 17.3% Latino. The countries that come anywhere close to the US on diversity are predominantly the other countries in the Americas.
  - vilmosi 8y ago
    > I don't think that's accurate. Europe is almost entirely European, Asia is almost entirely Asian, Africa is almost entirely African This has to be sarcasm, right? If not, this view is very wrong because it views diversity in a manner that's purely and literally skin deep.
    - AnthonyMouse 8y ago
      When people talk about diversity, the diversity they want is typically cultural, but race and culture are strongly correlated. There aren't a lot of ethnic Africans who are culturally Japanese or ethnic Europeans who are culturally African American. Which means there aren't a lot of people of any race who are culturally Japanese in Africa or culturally African American in Europe.

tajen 8y ago

Re: Tinder. The #metoo campaign has helped a lot too, frightening men into never doing real-life courting. “There’s a place to do such things!”, we’ve heard, namely (paid) clubs, Tinder and other commercial places.

intopieces 8y ago
The men scared away from courting by the #metoo movement are exactly the kind that should stay out of the dating pool until they are ready to respect women. Good to hear the movement is working.
- serf 8y ago
  >The men scared away from courting by the #metoo movement are exactly the kind that should stay out of the dating pool until they are ready to respect women. You're so wrong. There is plenty of 'collateral damage' from folks that just want to avoid litigation more-so than they desire a relationship.
  - xapata 8y ago
    No, you're so wrong. Sorry, just had to throw it back at you to emphasize how silly it sounds. I'm guessing you're referring to people that want to date their co-workers? Otherwise, it's hard to think of who else might worry about litigation when considering a romantic overture.
    - tajen 8y ago
      Ever heard of this taxi driver in Israel who got hit by a rape accusation, but was able to show the camera records to prove that it was a false complaint and the girl only got upset because the taxi driver told her to stop smoking in the car? Ever heard of so many false accusations from women, that are only used to fire a coworker, a CEO, a boss? Ever heard of couch promotions, where the girl shows her [redacted], only to claim a #metoo later in her career? Ever heard that a man who calls the police against a woman has 50% chances (in France), 70% chances (in USA) and 85% chances (in Israel) that the police takes HIM to custody? Ever heard that accusations are weaponized nowadays? Really, “it’s hard to think of who else might worry about litigation when considering a romantic overture” ??? Pretty much every man, whether or not they actually did anything. You have no idea what kind of terror men live under nowadays. Several times I had to convince male victims of false accusations not to throw a mass murder. That’s the level of injustice that you’re generating against men. It’s as-ton-ish-ing that some people are still ignorant of that. Even most women I meet are aware that the #metoo campaign was disastrous in terms of fairness, justice and legitimacy. And I’m starting to meet many men who never want to work with women. Talk about a success.

hartator 8y ago

Might it be you just getting older.

wool_gather 8y ago

Wow, just one short leap from cars to a kids-these-days rant about Tinder?

mygo 8y ago

> The throughly modern American asks "Why would you need to be in physical proximity to someone anyway unless it was necessary for work? That's so creepy!". If that’s the case then I disavow all things “modern.” Nothing exciting to me at all about putting up walls between me and the people I actually see in person. Maybe this is why I deleted my facebook a few years back, call when a few texts become a back and forth conversation, push for meet ups, and don’t use Tinder. I really don’t want to live in a world where the majority of our human-to-human communications is tapping on glass.

icantdrive55 8y ago

I think you are overthinking the Bay Area? The Bay Area was built when America was great. Jobs were plentiful. You could be a hippie, work a chit job, or union job. You bought a house, and had three kids. People were more spiritual. People didn't know about other cultures because we didn't know about them. They just built homes. One of the priciest places to live is Marin County. In the 70's, it was mainly blue collar workers. Before that it was a vacation spot for San Francisco residents. Now--the price of a average home is far from the reach of most Americans. My point is they just built a bunch of single family homes without much planning. Tech took off, and made the place some utopia? You all came here, and look at the place. In all honesty, I'll be glad when tech money dries up. The traffic is just terrible. Along with too many people who didn't fit the part of a tech worker are homeless now, or have to live with a bunch of strangers.