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At times, having a small discreet compass in hand when exiting a subway station in a foreign city has helped me avoid the "this person is a tourist/not from her

At times, having a small discreet compass in hand when exiting a subway station in a foreign city has helped me avoid the "this person is a tourist/not from here" behavior by allowing me to proceed confidently out of the subway exit in the right direction. I know that you can use a phone to do this but I think that decreases situational awareness.

goldenkey 8y ago
Wouldn't a dip needle be better for vertical pathfinding? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dip_circle https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dip_circle
- Sharlin 8y ago
  How would that help? The problem is the disorientation one may experience when exiting an unfamiliar underground metro station. A regular compass restores your bearings (literally!) very effectively.
  - goldenkey 8y ago
    I don't understand how a regular compass will tell you which way the stairs going up are. A dip needle would point towards the stairwell.
    - jstanley 8y ago
      It's pretty easy to tell which stairs go up just by looking at them, but it's pretty hard to tell which stairs go north.
      - goldenkey 8y ago
        I'm guessing you haven't taken the subway in NYC. A lot of times the stairs are only on one side. And the tracks are extremely long and have many trash cans and objects occluding a clear view.
        jstanley 8y ago
        I have read the wikipefia article a few times, but maybe I don't understand what a dip circle does. My understanding is that it tells you how parallel you are to the magnetic field lines. I don't see how that helps you find the stairs. All I can see is that if you lay it down on some steps, it will tell you whether it's pointing uphill or downhill. Is that not correct? Do the magnetic field lines in a tube station somehow point towards the exit rather than the north pole?
        goldenkey 8y ago
        Well.. steel or any metal in the ground will distort the field. I don't know if it would point to the stairs but it would definitely show you the least occluded path.
RealityVoid 8y ago
I don't usually carry a compass with me in the city but I should. The feeling you described exiting a metro is indeed one of the okay confusing I've felt in my life. But that might be because I usually have a very strong sense of orientation and loosing it is unusual. That being said, I think it's kind of becoming a dying art to orient yourself by compass and cardinal points. Most people have a hard time thinking in cardinal points and don't seem too interested in fixing this. But that is a shame since directions such as "go right" are too relative to your reference point to eliminate confusion.
oxplot 8y ago
Interesting. I orient myself with the sun. If it's midday, the shadows point southish (southern hemisphere). Mornings westish and evening eastish.
- taneq 8y ago
  I do the same, without really thinking about it. Changing hemispheres messed me up in terms of direction sense. Even though I consciously knew things were reversed, my "feeling" of which way North was was backwards the whole time I was north of the equator. (It didn't help that cars were on the opposite side of the road too, so my baked-in "look left when you approach a road" response was suddenly not so helpful.)
NikolaeVarius 8y ago
Any recommendations on a compass? I always hate trying to orient myself via sun in the city, half the time buildings make it annoying to figure out.
- ghaff 8y ago
  If all you want is north-ish, south-ish, etc., one of the little compasses that attach to a zipper is fine. There are also compass watches. Suunto makes probably the most popular compasses for orienteering but that would be overkill for that application.
- jdietrich 8y ago
  The Silva Metro is probably the best option for casual use. Generic button compasses will do in a pinch, but they tend to be quite unreliable. Casio and Suunto make a range of outdoorsy watches with an electronic compass feature, but they look a bit silly. http://silva.se/product/compasses/compasses-outdoor/compass-metro/ http://silva.se/product/compasses/compasses-outdoor/compass-... Satellite dishes can be a very useful directional reference in many urban environments. Here in the UK the overwhelming majority of dishes are aimed at the Astra constellation, so they indicate an azimuth of rougly 155°.
- kbaker 8y ago
  My Pebble Time watch (sadly, no longer in business) has a compass app that I've used a couple of times. Maybe a smartwatch or phone could do the trick? https://apps.getpebble.com/en_US/application/540f7cafbc27450164000157 https://apps.getpebble.com/en_US/application/540f7cafbc27450...
- tgb 8y ago
  Also satellite dishes point roughly south if you're in the northern hemisphere. (They point towards geostationary satellites which have to be over the equator.) This is a more useful tip in some places than others.
empath75 8y ago
Even people that live in the city get disoriented at unfamiliar stops. I know I do, and I take the metro every day. I don’t think it marks you as a foreigner.
themodelplumber 8y ago
A friend of mine used a small compass when he inadvertently found himself in a rough part of a metropolitan city. He had just purchased a zipper-pull compass from an outdoor store and didn't expect to use it in that context, but he swore it saved his life. Apparently it was one of those situations where walking in the wrong direction for a little while can lead you into a maze of miles of dangerous streets.
coldtea 8y ago
>has helped me avoid the "this person is a tourist/not from here" behavior by allowing me to proceed confidently out of the subway exit in the right direction Because anybody would care how one proceeds? If it's meant to not seem tourist to pickpockets and the like, those can tell anyway...
- wallflower 8y ago
  To clarify, it is more to blend in with the other subway riders and not call attention to yourself so that you look like part of the normal commuter group by knowing where you are going (no backtracking).
Nadya 8y ago
I bought a small compass in Akihabara for this reason - my phone was old and unreliable (it would often send me in the completely wrong direction - claiming "north' was really "southeast") and it was a lifesaver. I could look at map, see I need to go east, look at my compass really fast, then go east. I wore it on my keychain - and I still do! Doesn't come in handy as much since I know where I'm going but it's nice to carry around.

goldenkey 8y ago

Wouldn't a dip needle be better for vertical pathfinding? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dip_circle https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dip_circle

Sharlin 8y ago
How would that help? The problem is the disorientation one may experience when exiting an unfamiliar underground metro station. A regular compass restores your bearings (literally!) very effectively.
- goldenkey 8y ago
  I don't understand how a regular compass will tell you which way the stairs going up are. A dip needle would point towards the stairwell.
  - jstanley 8y ago
    It's pretty easy to tell which stairs go up just by looking at them, but it's pretty hard to tell which stairs go north.
    - goldenkey 8y ago
      I'm guessing you haven't taken the subway in NYC. A lot of times the stairs are only on one side. And the tracks are extremely long and have many trash cans and objects occluding a clear view.
      - jstanley 8y ago
        I have read the wikipefia article a few times, but maybe I don't understand what a dip circle does. My understanding is that it tells you how parallel you are to the magnetic field lines. I don't see how that helps you find the stairs. All I can see is that if you lay it down on some steps, it will tell you whether it's pointing uphill or downhill. Is that not correct? Do the magnetic field lines in a tube station somehow point towards the exit rather than the north pole?
        goldenkey 8y ago
        Well.. steel or any metal in the ground will distort the field. I don't know if it would point to the stairs but it would definitely show you the least occluded path.

RealityVoid 8y ago

I don't usually carry a compass with me in the city but I should. The feeling you described exiting a metro is indeed one of the okay confusing I've felt in my life. But that might be because I usually have a very strong sense of orientation and loosing it is unusual. That being said, I think it's kind of becoming a dying art to orient yourself by compass and cardinal points. Most people have a hard time thinking in cardinal points and don't seem too interested in fixing this. But that is a shame since directions such as "go right" are too relative to your reference point to eliminate confusion.

oxplot 8y ago

Interesting. I orient myself with the sun. If it's midday, the shadows point southish (southern hemisphere). Mornings westish and evening eastish.

taneq 8y ago
I do the same, without really thinking about it. Changing hemispheres messed me up in terms of direction sense. Even though I consciously knew things were reversed, my "feeling" of which way North was was backwards the whole time I was north of the equator. (It didn't help that cars were on the opposite side of the road too, so my baked-in "look left when you approach a road" response was suddenly not so helpful.)

NikolaeVarius 8y ago

Any recommendations on a compass? I always hate trying to orient myself via sun in the city, half the time buildings make it annoying to figure out.

ghaff 8y ago
If all you want is north-ish, south-ish, etc., one of the little compasses that attach to a zipper is fine. There are also compass watches. Suunto makes probably the most popular compasses for orienteering but that would be overkill for that application.
jdietrich 8y ago
The Silva Metro is probably the best option for casual use. Generic button compasses will do in a pinch, but they tend to be quite unreliable. Casio and Suunto make a range of outdoorsy watches with an electronic compass feature, but they look a bit silly. http://silva.se/product/compasses/compasses-outdoor/compass-metro/ http://silva.se/product/compasses/compasses-outdoor/compass-... Satellite dishes can be a very useful directional reference in many urban environments. Here in the UK the overwhelming majority of dishes are aimed at the Astra constellation, so they indicate an azimuth of rougly 155°.
kbaker 8y ago
My Pebble Time watch (sadly, no longer in business) has a compass app that I've used a couple of times. Maybe a smartwatch or phone could do the trick? https://apps.getpebble.com/en_US/application/540f7cafbc27450164000157 https://apps.getpebble.com/en_US/application/540f7cafbc27450...
tgb 8y ago
Also satellite dishes point roughly south if you're in the northern hemisphere. (They point towards geostationary satellites which have to be over the equator.) This is a more useful tip in some places than others.

empath75 8y ago

Even people that live in the city get disoriented at unfamiliar stops. I know I do, and I take the metro every day. I don’t think it marks you as a foreigner.

themodelplumber 8y ago

A friend of mine used a small compass when he inadvertently found himself in a rough part of a metropolitan city. He had just purchased a zipper-pull compass from an outdoor store and didn't expect to use it in that context, but he swore it saved his life. Apparently it was one of those situations where walking in the wrong direction for a little while can lead you into a maze of miles of dangerous streets.

coldtea 8y ago

>has helped me avoid the "this person is a tourist/not from here" behavior by allowing me to proceed confidently out of the subway exit in the right direction Because anybody would care how one proceeds? If it's meant to not seem tourist to pickpockets and the like, those can tell anyway...

wallflower 8y ago
To clarify, it is more to blend in with the other subway riders and not call attention to yourself so that you look like part of the normal commuter group by knowing where you are going (no backtracking).

Nadya 8y ago

I bought a small compass in Akihabara for this reason - my phone was old and unreliable (it would often send me in the completely wrong direction - claiming "north' was really "southeast") and it was a lifesaver. I could look at map, see I need to go east, look at my compass really fast, then go east. I wore it on my keychain - and I still do! Doesn't come in handy as much since I know where I'm going but it's nice to carry around.