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Good for you and I'm glad that you've got your condition under control. But no amount of standards and licensing can help one who's slowly killing himself due

by lstodd 8y ago

Good for you and I'm glad that you've got your condition under control. But no amount of standards and licensing can help one who's slowly killing himself due to their conditons. If anything, increased red tape will only raise prices and do nothing to the quality of help. Source: own experience. $/hour never correlates to help/hour, and any regulation just drives $ up, no positive effect on help/$.

nickthemagicman 8y ago
You're saying you don't agree with standards and licensing in medical professions?
- lstodd 8y ago
  I say that in psychotherapy tighting up standards and licensing does not result in tangible benefits beyond a quite low threshold compared to other medical professions. I think it's because no one knows shit wrt psychology, tons of books written nonwithstanding. It's all intuition. And those tons of books written which I read because I took my condition seriously only reinforce this opinion. May the peace be with you. You don't want to take a look at the other side.
- pessimizer 8y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodo_bird_verdict https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodo_bird_verdict I don't know that there's convincing evidence that medically-certified talking is any more effective than any other talking (if that talking is without significant ulterior motive.) There is, however, evidence that talking about your problems helps. Therefore there is a case to be made that getting people talking about their issues is more important than the qualifications of the people they talk about those issues to. Hell, in 12-step programs and other support groups, people with similar problems just talking to each other clearly helps.
  - mmt 8y ago
    > Hell, in 12-step programs and other support groups, people with similar problems just talking to each other clearly helps. I would take issue issue with the word "clearly", as there is controversy, at least according to Wikipedia (which you referenced). Perhaps "arguably" is a better word. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve-step_program#Effectiveness https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve-step_program#Effectiven... > It would be an error to assume the effectiveness of twelve-step methods at treating problems in one domain translates to all or to another domain, therefore readers are directed to relevant sections in each group's article. [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effectiveness_of_Alcoholics_Anonymous https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effectiveness_of_Alcoholics_An... > While newer studies have suggested an association between AA attendance and increased abstinence or other positive outcomes, older studies and studies done outside of the United States have not
  - nickthemagicman 8y ago
    There's what's called evidence based therapy. Things like cognitive behavioral therapy and other methods. Every therapist learns about it. Nothing is 100% effective on every person. But on large groups it has statistically positive impacts on study vs control groups.

by lstodd 8y ago

nickthemagicman 8y ago

You're saying you don't agree with standards and licensing in medical professions?

lstodd 8y ago
I say that in psychotherapy tighting up standards and licensing does not result in tangible benefits beyond a quite low threshold compared to other medical professions. I think it's because no one knows shit wrt psychology, tons of books written nonwithstanding. It's all intuition. And those tons of books written which I read because I took my condition seriously only reinforce this opinion. May the peace be with you. You don't want to take a look at the other side.
pessimizer 8y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodo_bird_verdict https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodo_bird_verdict I don't know that there's convincing evidence that medically-certified talking is any more effective than any other talking (if that talking is without significant ulterior motive.) There is, however, evidence that talking about your problems helps. Therefore there is a case to be made that getting people talking about their issues is more important than the qualifications of the people they talk about those issues to. Hell, in 12-step programs and other support groups, people with similar problems just talking to each other clearly helps.
- mmt 8y ago
  > Hell, in 12-step programs and other support groups, people with similar problems just talking to each other clearly helps. I would take issue issue with the word "clearly", as there is controversy, at least according to Wikipedia (which you referenced). Perhaps "arguably" is a better word. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve-step_program#Effectiveness https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve-step_program#Effectiven... > It would be an error to assume the effectiveness of twelve-step methods at treating problems in one domain translates to all or to another domain, therefore readers are directed to relevant sections in each group's article. [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effectiveness_of_Alcoholics_Anonymous https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effectiveness_of_Alcoholics_An... > While newer studies have suggested an association between AA attendance and increased abstinence or other positive outcomes, older studies and studies done outside of the United States have not
- nickthemagicman 8y ago
  There's what's called evidence based therapy. Things like cognitive behavioral therapy and other methods. Every therapist learns about it. Nothing is 100% effective on every person. But on large groups it has statistically positive impacts on study vs control groups.