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> WeWork’s 6,000 employees around the globe have now been told that they will no longer be able to expense meals including meat, Genuinely would not give wewor

> WeWork’s 6,000 employees around the globe have now been told that they will no longer be able to expense meals including meat, Genuinely would not give wework any business on hearing this. Utterly disgraceful. > it’s also banning meat (but not fish) from all corporate events on the grounds Is anyone comfortable with a property holding company telling you what you can't eat on the property you pay them to use?

eridius 8y ago
It sounds like this policy applies to WeWork's employees, not to people who rent coworking spaces from WeWork.
- easytiger 8y ago
  It also applies to catering applied for onsite events from the article
  - lern_too_spel 8y ago
    Where does it say that?
    - easytiger 8y ago
      > it’s also banning meat (but not fish) from all corporate events on the grounds
      - eridius 8y ago
        You sure that doesn’t mean events WeWork is putting on?
        easytiger 8y ago
        I guess it could. Not clear really. Most events there are hosted by wework with a third party. So where is the line?
ethiclub 8y ago
Excusing the potential hypocrisy of the policy re: fish vs meat (given general movement in recent years as to the complexity of fish nervous systems) - As well as the fact that 'fish' is not a useful term in biology... It seems extreme to say "Utterly disgraceful."... Let's assume the principle of charity here, and say that the move was about stopping net negative emotion in conscious entities. They aren't stopping you from doing it. They just aren't funding it themselves any more. Your reply appears very knee-jerk considering that the principle of charity essentially makes this news into: "Wework cannot morally pay expenses for things that were used in the forced behaviour, or at worst negative emotion of, animals in modern industrialised farming. However, you can still eat meat on our property" >Is anyone comfortable with a property holding company telling you what you can't eat on the property you pay them to use? You can. They just won't pay you for it. And this isn't about clients, it's about employees (As an aside, this is possibly a statement that was worth due diligence checks being done, before assuming and posting). I also note that many people are doing back of the envelope calculations on environmental impact of eggs vs flights etc. Can this not simply be "We [wework] don't want to pay for what we see as murder"?
- easytiger 8y ago
  > They aren't stopping you from doing it. The article states that it applies to any onsite event with catering a customer might hold. Perhaps I misunderstand. Given most events hosted there are done in cooperation with or illustrating a relationship between wework with no commercial payment from the third party, i dunno where the lines are. > "We [wework] don't want to pay for what we see as murder"? The questionable predicate for doing so is the environmental impact. Where do you get that from? They absolutely would not win any fans imposing moral absolutism on the eating habits of the majority of people.
  - bootlooped 8y ago
    > They absolutely would not win any fans imposing moral absolutism on the eating habits of the majority of people. I don't think they're imposing anything, it seems like they're just saying they're no longer going to pay for it. From what I can tell, clients, employees and tenants would be free to eat their own meat-containing meals by simply paying for them.
currymj 8y ago
that second quote is taken out of context. The full quote is: “It’s also banning meat (but not fish) from all corporate events on the grounds, handed down by co-founder Miguel McKelvey, that “avoiding meat is one of the biggest things an individual can do to reduce their personal environmental impact” “ The word “grounds” is used as a synonym for “reason” or “justification”. It doesn’t refer to WeWork properties. I think it’s a dumb policy, but there’s no reason to think it will be inflicted on WeWork tenants.
bootlooped 8y ago
> Genuinely would not give wework any business on hearing this. Utterly disgraceful. Why do you think a company making ethical choices about how to spend their own money is disgraceful?
- busterarm 8y ago
  WeWork doesn't really have the best history as far as ethical behavior goes.
- easytiger 8y ago
  > Why do you think a company making ethical choices For a spurious definition of ethical not shared by almost all people.
  - bootlooped 8y ago
    I was using the phrase "ethical choices" to mean choices related to ethics.
    - geoalchimista 8y ago
      ethos (ἦθος), according to OED, means "the characteristic spirit of a culture, era, or community as manifested in its beliefs and aspirations" You don't call your own belief the ethos or ethical standard of a community if it is not shared by any one other than you.
marichards 8y ago
Unless meat was part of the sales pitch or contract, they can probably choose the menu they cater regardless, so this seems fine. However I do think the expenses part seems wrong. Employers should not dictate restrictions on breakfast, lunch and dinner diets, that is a cultural imposition and treads a dangerous line for employers' control. On business trips, that cultural imposition may be unavoidable for an employee and it sets a standard that it's okay for WeWork to try to control aspects of employees lives.. will staff be required to wear uniform at all times whilst on a business trip, including company mandated nightwear, only expense business travel if it is electric and only expense drinks if they're caffeinated. Companies should have discretion on alcohol, night clubs, etc, but these would only ever be perks, food is a dependency and a costly one for many when staying in a hotel.

eridius 8y ago

It sounds like this policy applies to WeWork's employees, not to people who rent coworking spaces from WeWork.

easytiger 8y ago
It also applies to catering applied for onsite events from the article
- lern_too_spel 8y ago
  Where does it say that?
  - easytiger 8y ago
    > it’s also banning meat (but not fish) from all corporate events on the grounds
    - eridius 8y ago
      You sure that doesn’t mean events WeWork is putting on?
      - easytiger 8y ago
        I guess it could. Not clear really. Most events there are hosted by wework with a third party. So where is the line?

ethiclub 8y ago

Excusing the potential hypocrisy of the policy re: fish vs meat (given general movement in recent years as to the complexity of fish nervous systems) - As well as the fact that 'fish' is not a useful term in biology... It seems extreme to say "Utterly disgraceful."... Let's assume the principle of charity here, and say that the move was about stopping net negative emotion in conscious entities. They aren't stopping you from doing it. They just aren't funding it themselves any more. Your reply appears very knee-jerk considering that the principle of charity essentially makes this news into: "Wework cannot morally pay expenses for things that were used in the forced behaviour, or at worst negative emotion of, animals in modern industrialised farming. However, you can still eat meat on our property" >Is anyone comfortable with a property holding company telling you what you can't eat on the property you pay them to use? You can. They just won't pay you for it. And this isn't about clients, it's about employees (As an aside, this is possibly a statement that was worth due diligence checks being done, before assuming and posting). I also note that many people are doing back of the envelope calculations on environmental impact of eggs vs flights etc. Can this not simply be "We [wework] don't want to pay for what we see as murder"?

easytiger 8y ago
> They aren't stopping you from doing it. The article states that it applies to any onsite event with catering a customer might hold. Perhaps I misunderstand. Given most events hosted there are done in cooperation with or illustrating a relationship between wework with no commercial payment from the third party, i dunno where the lines are. > "We [wework] don't want to pay for what we see as murder"? The questionable predicate for doing so is the environmental impact. Where do you get that from? They absolutely would not win any fans imposing moral absolutism on the eating habits of the majority of people.
- bootlooped 8y ago
  > They absolutely would not win any fans imposing moral absolutism on the eating habits of the majority of people. I don't think they're imposing anything, it seems like they're just saying they're no longer going to pay for it. From what I can tell, clients, employees and tenants would be free to eat their own meat-containing meals by simply paying for them.

currymj 8y ago

that second quote is taken out of context. The full quote is: “It’s also banning meat (but not fish) from all corporate events on the grounds, handed down by co-founder Miguel McKelvey, that “avoiding meat is one of the biggest things an individual can do to reduce their personal environmental impact” “ The word “grounds” is used as a synonym for “reason” or “justification”. It doesn’t refer to WeWork properties. I think it’s a dumb policy, but there’s no reason to think it will be inflicted on WeWork tenants.

bootlooped 8y ago

> Genuinely would not give wework any business on hearing this. Utterly disgraceful. Why do you think a company making ethical choices about how to spend their own money is disgraceful?

busterarm 8y ago
WeWork doesn't really have the best history as far as ethical behavior goes.
easytiger 8y ago
> Why do you think a company making ethical choices For a spurious definition of ethical not shared by almost all people.
- bootlooped 8y ago
  I was using the phrase "ethical choices" to mean choices related to ethics.
  - geoalchimista 8y ago
    ethos (ἦθος), according to OED, means "the characteristic spirit of a culture, era, or community as manifested in its beliefs and aspirations" You don't call your own belief the ethos or ethical standard of a community if it is not shared by any one other than you.

marichards 8y ago

Unless meat was part of the sales pitch or contract, they can probably choose the menu they cater regardless, so this seems fine. However I do think the expenses part seems wrong. Employers should not dictate restrictions on breakfast, lunch and dinner diets, that is a cultural imposition and treads a dangerous line for employers' control. On business trips, that cultural imposition may be unavoidable for an employee and it sets a standard that it's okay for WeWork to try to control aspects of employees lives.. will staff be required to wear uniform at all times whilst on a business trip, including company mandated nightwear, only expense business travel if it is electric and only expense drinks if they're caffeinated. Companies should have discretion on alcohol, night clubs, etc, but these would only ever be perks, food is a dependency and a costly one for many when staying in a hotel.