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One reason I don't use an IDE is the overhead in starting it up. I want a text editor to open now.

by points 16y ago

gaius 16y ago
Tell me about it. TOAD takes more resources to run on my PC than Oracle. Same with Eclipse. I remember when people joked that Emacs was a memory hog "eight megs and constantly swapping".
- pjscott 16y ago
  There were more: Eventually Mallocs All Computer Storage. Emacs Makes A Computer Slow. About the only one that's still true now is this: Escape Meta Alt Control Shift.
  - leif 16y ago
    Only once did I see emacs malloc all of my ram, but it did it on the server and crashed it. No clue what happened, but I barely got top open to see it happen before the kernel panicked. A once-in-a-lifetime experience though, I start the emacs server on boot so I can start clients much faster, which means it's always running as long as my computer is on, and it's never had any issues other than that one time.
jfb 16y ago
When I was at Apple, I could build Emacs from source faster than IDEA would launch. As a twenty-year Emacs user, that sort of turned my world upside down.
- masklinn 16y ago
  Yes, right...
- bokchoi 16y ago
  It was most likely building an index of your source tree or something. IntelliJ starts up fast enough for me and I rarely restart my IDE anyway. IntelliJ stays open on my MacBook Pro for weeks.
  - masklinn 16y ago
    > It was most likely building an index of your source tree or something. He's comparing it to building emacs from source. He's quite obviously trolling: Emacs has 15MB of C source and header files already. On my machine (2010 15" MBP) a configure alone takes 20s, which is about 3 times the loading time of an empty IntelliJ (no project), and about twice if loading a preexisting (cached) project. A `make` of 23.2 takes nearly 3 minutes. Unless he's trying to launch an IDE with no free RAM or building an already-built soft (or a networked build), his declarations hardly make sense.
    - jfb 16y ago
      Not a troll. The IDEA project contained upwards of 60 subprojects, and the time from clicking the IDEA icon to the availability of the editor was often more than four minutes. On my eight-core, 16GB Mac Pro.
masklinn 16y ago
> One reason I don't use an IDE is the overhead in starting it up. Why? You start it once, the first time you want to start developing. And you never close it until you reboot the machine. Same as with Emacs, start it, have it enable server-mode automatically, and until you reboot you go through emacsclient.

One reason I don't use an IDE is the overhead in starting it up. I want a text editor to open now.

by points 16y ago

One reason I don't use an IDE is the overhead in starting it up. I want a text editor to open now.

gaius 16y ago

Tell me about it. TOAD takes more resources to run on my PC than Oracle. Same with Eclipse. I remember when people joked that Emacs was a memory hog "eight megs and constantly swapping".

pjscott 16y ago
There were more: Eventually Mallocs All Computer Storage. Emacs Makes A Computer Slow. About the only one that's still true now is this: Escape Meta Alt Control Shift.
- leif 16y ago
  Only once did I see emacs malloc all of my ram, but it did it on the server and crashed it. No clue what happened, but I barely got top open to see it happen before the kernel panicked. A once-in-a-lifetime experience though, I start the emacs server on boot so I can start clients much faster, which means it's always running as long as my computer is on, and it's never had any issues other than that one time.

jfb 16y ago

When I was at Apple, I could build Emacs from source faster than IDEA would launch. As a twenty-year Emacs user, that sort of turned my world upside down.

masklinn 16y ago
Yes, right...
bokchoi 16y ago
It was most likely building an index of your source tree or something. IntelliJ starts up fast enough for me and I rarely restart my IDE anyway. IntelliJ stays open on my MacBook Pro for weeks.
- masklinn 16y ago
  > It was most likely building an index of your source tree or something. He's comparing it to building emacs from source. He's quite obviously trolling: Emacs has 15MB of C source and header files already. On my machine (2010 15" MBP) a configure alone takes 20s, which is about 3 times the loading time of an empty IntelliJ (no project), and about twice if loading a preexisting (cached) project. A `make` of 23.2 takes nearly 3 minutes. Unless he's trying to launch an IDE with no free RAM or building an already-built soft (or a networked build), his declarations hardly make sense.
  - jfb 16y ago
    Not a troll. The IDEA project contained upwards of 60 subprojects, and the time from clicking the IDEA icon to the availability of the editor was often more than four minutes. On my eight-core, 16GB Mac Pro.

masklinn 16y ago

> One reason I don't use an IDE is the overhead in starting it up. Why? You start it once, the first time you want to start developing. And you never close it until you reboot the machine. Same as with Emacs, start it, have it enable server-mode automatically, and until you reboot you go through emacsclient.