> Joins are slow and complicated, and ORMs are slow and complicated, so you can never actually use any of these things in a high-traffic environment. As you say

> Joins are slow and complicated, and ORMs are slow and complicated, so you can never actually use any of these things in a high-traffic environment. As you say, not many people will reach these levels of traffic, but it is still a factor. I have to clean up crap written by people like you. Go learn how to use a relational database properly instead of writing tosh like this and crap buggy code in the application layer.