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Like it or not, this is the side of history that will eventually win out. In 50-100 years from now, expect this kind of arrangement to be very common with Ameri
by meowface 8y ago
Like it or not, this is the side of history that will eventually win out. In 50-100 years from now, expect this kind of arrangement to be very common with American companies.
- jp_sc 8y agoI believe sintetic meat will be the most common in 50-100 years, so I don't think so.
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- meowface 8y agoMy statement is exclusionary of synthetic meat. I was referring to "real meat".
- nwah1 8y agoAnd not because of environmental concerns. But moral concerns. Something that is flagrantly immoral would be opposed regardless of environmental questions. That is important to note because it is not a simple question whether meat is net positive or net negative for the environment. It isn't even clear what it means if something is net positive for the environment. This is a moral issue, not an eco issue.
- meowface 8y agoI completely agree. The primary reason to not eat meat is that it's inherently unethical (factory farm or not). But a lot of people don't feel that way, so any argument that will persuade them to eat less (or no) meat works in my book.
- nwah1 8y agoI understand that view too, but insincere arguments have some drawbacks too. I do know some people who became disillusioned after hearing bad motivated reasoning on that, and on dubious health claims. My current thinking is that both the eco and health questions are extremely complex. The moral issue, however, is simple.
- guhidalg 8y agoSigh... please explain why it’s immoral to consume other organisms?
- nwah1 8y agoThe eating itself is neutral. It is immoral to pay people to raise other organisms in confinement and later slaughter them.
- meowface 8y agoIt's immoral to kill a conscious and sentient life form for luxury, recreation, or other purposes that aren't absolutely vital to immediate survival. Eating the result is generally encouraging the killing. Of course that doesn't apply to eating an organism that died through other means, or eating synthetic meat.
- intended 8y agoI doubt it. Unless lab grown meat manages to be a competitor, people are going to get meat based protein. And have you seen the vast variety of food around the world made from meat? It’s like saying people will give up excel. Possible, but only if some very major hurdles are crossed. Otherwise ubiquity, biological, and cultural adaptation will win out. The vegetarian side is underestimating the scope and time scale required.
- nervousvarun 8y agomaybe i'm mistaken, but i think the overall point was not specifically about meat. just that more and more companies will align themselves with some specific viewpoint and require/impel their employees to do the same as a condition of working there. i'm probably mistaken though :)
- prepend 8y agoHopefully those businesses will cease to exist due to market forces as artificially limiting talent available based on arbitrary preferences of management team would, I expect, reduce productivity and so increase labor costs.
- prepend 8y agoWhat’s a good way for me to bet you $1000 that you’re wrong? This statement seems so interesting. What’s the basis for this thought process? Isn’t the trend for meat consumption to increase with wealth so as the world develops, more meat will be consumed. [0] [0] https://ourworldindata.org/meat-and-seafood-production-consumption https://ourworldindata.org/meat-and-seafood-production-consu...
- vosper 8y agoI'll get downvoted for mentioning any crypto-thing, but I think this might be doable with Augur (which is an actual live product, not some crypto-vaporware, though not particularly easy to use in its 1.0 state)
- myWindoonn 8y agoThere's a site that will help you do this: https://longbets.org/faq/ https://longbets.org/faq/ The downside is that you won't get your money. It'll go to charity. But you'll be able to prove your point to your great-great-grandkids!
- meowface 8y agoI'd be happy to take out a $100 bet, but I would probably want to lean towards the 100 year end of the prediction, and it's unlikely both of us will be alive in 100 years. >Isn’t the trend for meat consumption to increase with wealth so as the world develops, more meat will be consumed. Note I said "American companies", not companies around the world. I don't think my prediction will hold when applied to the entire world. I believe that within 200-300 years at the latest, there will be a strong cultural taboo in Western countries around hunting, meat farming, and eating "real meat". I figure synthetic and analogue meat will still be very popular. I don't think meat will be outlawed, but I sincerely think most people will treat meat-eaters like how most people currently treat neo-Nazis.
- lozenge 8y agoOn what basis? The highly vegetarian countries are countries with a religious population, and Christianity has never been associated with vegetarianism.
- archagon 8y agoThere are plenty of (mostly older) Christian denominations that keep to vegetarian or vegan diets for large parts of the year. (This is why Ethiopian food tends to be so vegetable-heavy.)
- poulsbohemian 8y agoWhen I was a traveling consultant, meal and lodging budgets were generally so bad that it really only made sense to eat a single meal per day anyway. While WeWork might be on a moral kick about this, I can only see it becoming common if companies can use it as some kind of cost cutting loophole, in much the same way many have a no-alcohol policy. Yes meat will continue to be a rare and expensive thing, but humans have been eating it for a few millennia now, I have a hard time seeing that go away in the 100 year picture.