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What would the point of current self-driving car systems be? If you can't take your attention off the road anyway, it's basically a glorified, expensive cruise

What would the point of current self-driving car systems be? If you can't take your attention off the road anyway, it's basically a glorified, expensive cruise control.

airstrike 8y ago
> What would the point of current self-driving car systems be? Baby steps, man... baby steps
toomuchtodo 8y ago
> What would the point of current self-driving car systems be? You’re teaching the AI in Tesla’s case. Theoretically, your drive is safer with driver augmentation safety systems in other manufacturers’ vehicles, even if they’re not contributing data back for algo refinement.
- commaai 8y ago
  We are training our AI using user data as well. https://medium.com/@comma_ai/the-half-way-point-55662cef04f2 https://medium.com/@comma_ai/the-half-way-point-55662cef04f2
throwawayjava 8y ago
Ever drive 8-12 hour days for 2 days straight? Used to do it 4-5, but sometimes up to 10, times per year. I'd pay many thousands for lane-keeping on rural interstates in a heartbeat.
- closeparen 8y ago
  Yep. I love the headspace of focusing on something so simple for so long. If I weren’t going to have the experience of driving, I would just fly.
  - throwawayjava 8y ago
    > If I weren’t going to have the experience of driving, I would just fly. I mean, today, ditto. But for like at least 100M of the 300M+ Americans, that's not an option for various reasons...
agumonkey 8y ago
That's the hurdle that will or will not kill this wave of SDV. You can't give bits and piece of automation for a vehicle. Mainstream tech is all about making it fool proof. Not giving warnings and calling about weighted death stats.
sebastianavina 8y ago
nah, if the android board fails, you get the plus of loosing the control of your vehicle...
agildehaus 8y ago
You shouldn't really consider anything that isn't level 4 or above self-driving. No level 1-3 system can get you from A to B unassisted.
oldgradstudent 8y ago
The difference is that glorified cruise control actually exists. Real self driving cars, on the other hand, only exist in inspirational videos.
- wbl 8y ago
  Or on dedicated tracks.
  - nojvek 8y ago
    I really don’t mind dedicated tracks. Then we just have self driving taxis/buses that service predefined points. Nothing wrong with that. A 24/7 transport system that gets you to the last mile and is cheap is an impressive achievement.
    - ant6n 8y ago
      > I really don’t mind dedicated tracks. Then we just have self driving taxis/buses that service predefined points That's an interesting way to describe trains
alkonaut 8y ago
What’s wrong with good cruise control? Any modern car is already loaded with expensive cruise control, often with distance sensing, some times with lane assist etc. There is a huge market for this and a few players (such as Bosch Mobility) own the market. I don’t see why it’s a bad idea to try to enter this market as a startup. You don’t have to revolutionize or disrupt a market to have a viable product. I think (like Hotz) that very good assist tech is the future, and dodgy self driving tech is a temporary fad. Complete autonomy on geofenced highways may well be good enough soon that we can sleep or work for 90% of the commute because the autonomous system can give us 20 sec to take over when confused, rather than 1. And that can probably be solved with very cheap hardware (1-2 cameras, a front radar) compared to the huge expensive lidar and camera arrays you need for driving in complex scenarios. So if someone can make a system that offers fantastic assist and limited but safe autonomy for 10% of the roads but 90% of the driving time - that’s not a bad thing.
leesec 8y ago
The point would be to save lives. With most accidents coming from drivers being drunk/distracted, a vastly improved cruise control could prevent many deaths.

What would the point of current self-driving car systems be? If you can't take your attention off the road anyway, it's basically a glorified, expensive cruise control.

airstrike 8y ago

> What would the point of current self-driving car systems be? Baby steps, man... baby steps

toomuchtodo 8y ago

> What would the point of current self-driving car systems be? You’re teaching the AI in Tesla’s case. Theoretically, your drive is safer with driver augmentation safety systems in other manufacturers’ vehicles, even if they’re not contributing data back for algo refinement.

commaai 8y ago
We are training our AI using user data as well. https://medium.com/@comma_ai/the-half-way-point-55662cef04f2 https://medium.com/@comma_ai/the-half-way-point-55662cef04f2

throwawayjava 8y ago

Ever drive 8-12 hour days for 2 days straight? Used to do it 4-5, but sometimes up to 10, times per year. I'd pay many thousands for lane-keeping on rural interstates in a heartbeat.

closeparen 8y ago
Yep. I love the headspace of focusing on something so simple for so long. If I weren’t going to have the experience of driving, I would just fly.
- throwawayjava 8y ago
  > If I weren’t going to have the experience of driving, I would just fly. I mean, today, ditto. But for like at least 100M of the 300M+ Americans, that's not an option for various reasons...

agumonkey 8y ago

That's the hurdle that will or will not kill this wave of SDV. You can't give bits and piece of automation for a vehicle. Mainstream tech is all about making it fool proof. Not giving warnings and calling about weighted death stats.

sebastianavina 8y ago

nah, if the android board fails, you get the plus of loosing the control of your vehicle...

agildehaus 8y ago

You shouldn't really consider anything that isn't level 4 or above self-driving. No level 1-3 system can get you from A to B unassisted.

oldgradstudent 8y ago

The difference is that glorified cruise control actually exists. Real self driving cars, on the other hand, only exist in inspirational videos.

wbl 8y ago
Or on dedicated tracks.
- nojvek 8y ago
  I really don’t mind dedicated tracks. Then we just have self driving taxis/buses that service predefined points. Nothing wrong with that. A 24/7 transport system that gets you to the last mile and is cheap is an impressive achievement.
  - ant6n 8y ago
    > I really don’t mind dedicated tracks. Then we just have self driving taxis/buses that service predefined points That's an interesting way to describe trains

alkonaut 8y ago

What’s wrong with good cruise control? Any modern car is already loaded with expensive cruise control, often with distance sensing, some times with lane assist etc. There is a huge market for this and a few players (such as Bosch Mobility) own the market. I don’t see why it’s a bad idea to try to enter this market as a startup. You don’t have to revolutionize or disrupt a market to have a viable product. I think (like Hotz) that very good assist tech is the future, and dodgy self driving tech is a temporary fad. Complete autonomy on geofenced highways may well be good enough soon that we can sleep or work for 90% of the commute because the autonomous system can give us 20 sec to take over when confused, rather than 1. And that can probably be solved with very cheap hardware (1-2 cameras, a front radar) compared to the huge expensive lidar and camera arrays you need for driving in complex scenarios. So if someone can make a system that offers fantastic assist and limited but safe autonomy for 10% of the roads but 90% of the driving time - that’s not a bad thing.

leesec 8y ago

The point would be to save lives. With most accidents coming from drivers being drunk/distracted, a vastly improved cruise control could prevent many deaths.