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>in exchange for not leaving a negative feedback This is the same reason I roll my eyes when a ride sharing app asks me to rate a driver - I assume anything le

>in exchange for not leaving a negative feedback This is the same reason I roll my eyes when a ride sharing app asks me to rate a driver - I assume anything less than 5 stars is going to kill their work so I just give 5 stars. The one time I had a bad experience (nice driver, liked to talk, but could not drive and talk and almost got us killed), I just skipped the review entirely. I have this working theory that we (people privileged enough to spend lots of time per day on the Internet) are getting close to being able to spend our time in fictional spaces; one of the reasons for that is the fact we spend a lot of goddamn time lying about things in order to make systems work the way we want. Now let's you and I sit down and talk about what 4 stars in iTunes/ Spotify/ whatever means in your personal system . . .

dawnerd 8y ago
please please please rate bad drivers correctly. Number of times I've been in 4.7+ star ubers where the driver ran red lights is too high. Uber/lyft will definitely refund you if you let them know. Those drivers should not be driving for any service.
pavel_lishin 8y ago
> I assume anything less than 5 stars is going to kill their work > almost got us killed This seems like a perfectly acceptable time to kill someone's ability to do a job, if they're bad enough at it that they can literally kill the people they're working with.
- mirceal 8y ago
  You don’t want to kill their work, they might actually kill somebody. I’m all for the sharing economy and helping people out but I draw a line at safety. If you cannot drive you will get a bad rating. Sorry.
  - tajen 8y ago
    If I left bad rating to carpooling drivers who drive unsafely... I’d do it every time. For some reason, although I’m ok with one offense at a time, drivers really want to both phone and drive over the speed limit, and tail the next guy, at the same time, and the 4 witnesses in the car don’t worry them...
    - pavel_lishin 8y ago
      > If I left bad rating to carpooling drivers who drive unsafely... I’d do it every time. Um, maybe... maybe you should? I don't understand this hesitation to accurately rate people who are bad at their job, to a level where someone can be seriously injured. What exactly does it take some of y'all to give someone less than 5 stars? "Hit a child in a crosswalk, 4 stars"
      - tajen 8y ago
        Look, I went last week to the police station reporting a minivan who tailed me, then overtook me on the right and drove back into my car. Granted I wasn’t going at full speed (I was maintaining distance with the car in front, which made the minivan driver highly unhappy), but it was at 110km/h and we could all have died. Then the driver flew off. That makes 4 counts of infringement, 5 if you include attempted murder. Response from the judiciary: The prosecutor won’t charge the guy, because the French courts are overwhelmed with same situations with multi-casualty accidents. I wonder how we got here. France.
        pavel_lishin 8y ago
        I'm not sure what this has to do with giving an Uber/Lyft driver a 1-star rating for reckless driving, but I'm glad you could share a story.
        idontpost 8y ago
        That's not special to France. You wouldn't get anywhere with that complaint in most nations. In part because your testimony isn't worth much as evidence.
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J-dawg 8y ago
> I assume anything less than 5 stars is going to kill their work so I just give 5 stars I do the same. I feel like Uber drivers are already living in a world that's way too close to that Black Mirror episode, and as someone who probably makes a lot more money than they do, I'm not really comfortable having that kind of power over them. I feel like rating them 5 stars is the least I can do for someone who's doing a difficult and low-paid job and doesn't really deserve to be under constant scrutiny.
jjeaff 8y ago
There is a Black Mirror episode of this. People run around "rating" each other positively in fear that they might get a bad rating. Only when someone shows weakness does the hive mind pounce and pile on the negative reviews.
- aldoushuxley001 8y ago
  It's like chickens, which will viciously attack any chicken that shows weakness (i.e. if it's missing a toe, it'll likely be murdered by fellow chickens)
throwaway413 8y ago
> I have this working theory that we (people privileged enough to spend lots of time per day on the Internet) are getting close to being able to spend our time in fictional spaces On this note, off-topic: I had a realization the other day that we are so close to being able to replace ourselves on a regular basis with our devices. Our devices are near-perfect proxies for our physical presence, especially with tech like video chat and interacting with our physical world via app or other digital medium. Especially for people like me, who physically carry their ID/debit card strapped to their device via wallet case. I've been picturing ordering an Uber, and instead of getting in the car...I just throw my phone in the back! On some sort of video call. That driver knows where to take "me" - lets say my meeting. That driver can check who I "am" by checking the ID in my phone's wallet case, etc. Obviously there are a lot of holes in this, what if the driver steals my cards, etc. What intrigues me though is the idea that our phones could be stand-in proxies for us. It gets even more interesting when you take drones into account...could I fly my device to a bank with my ID and debit card attached and request a withdrawal of cash via video chat?
birksherty 8y ago
> anything less than 5 stars is going to kill their work Reminded me of the Black Mirror episode Nosedive. May be we are already there. On watching the episode I thought that would never happen. But things change so slowly that it feels completely normal later.
flyGuyOnTheSly 8y ago
I went to a "hot" new restaurant recently... It was busy alright. The owner was running around like a mad person furiously cleaning tables. I enjoyed my meal, the service was great, but as we were leaving I was disgusted to see the owner (who was cleaning tables, mind you) cough into her hand and then use that same hand to wipe down a table. I noticed her voice sounded a bit off as well. Anyways sure enough, the next day, I got sick. When I told my friends I was considering leaving a 1 star review for that restaurant as a result... they were dumfounded... how could I possibly... you pariah you! I was flabbergasted. This restaurant owner came into her own restaurant knowing she was sick, and was publicly cleaning tables with dirty hands that she was coughing into... and I was the one getting pushback for wanting to leave a 1 star review as a result. I left the review, the owner apologized and essentially admitted that she had come into work sick. But I still feel weird about the whole ordeal. What's the point of a review system if you are pressured to always be positive? No matter the circumstances?
- s73v3r_ 8y ago
  I guess they were thinking that the owner probably didn't have a choice. When the restaurant is just starting, they probably didn't have anyone to take over for them.
  - flyGuyOnTheSly 8y ago
    The place had been open for about 1 year already at that point. But even if it was their opening day... it is unacceptable to be cleaning tables if you are sick to the point that you're coughing everywhere. Capitalism shouldn't trump common sense.
- atombender 8y ago
  The incubation period for colds and flus is several days, usually about a week, so you wouldn't get sick the next day. Unless by "sick" you mean that you got food poisoning, but that wouldn't be from the owner's cough, but rather poor hygiene in the kitchen. Presumably the owner wasn't also making the food.

dawnerd 8y ago

please please please rate bad drivers correctly. Number of times I've been in 4.7+ star ubers where the driver ran red lights is too high. Uber/lyft will definitely refund you if you let them know. Those drivers should not be driving for any service.

pavel_lishin 8y ago

> I assume anything less than 5 stars is going to kill their work > almost got us killed This seems like a perfectly acceptable time to kill someone's ability to do a job, if they're bad enough at it that they can literally kill the people they're working with.

mirceal 8y ago
You don’t want to kill their work, they might actually kill somebody. I’m all for the sharing economy and helping people out but I draw a line at safety. If you cannot drive you will get a bad rating. Sorry.
- tajen 8y ago
  If I left bad rating to carpooling drivers who drive unsafely... I’d do it every time. For some reason, although I’m ok with one offense at a time, drivers really want to both phone and drive over the speed limit, and tail the next guy, at the same time, and the 4 witnesses in the car don’t worry them...
  - pavel_lishin 8y ago
    > If I left bad rating to carpooling drivers who drive unsafely... I’d do it every time. Um, maybe... maybe you should? I don't understand this hesitation to accurately rate people who are bad at their job, to a level where someone can be seriously injured. What exactly does it take some of y'all to give someone less than 5 stars? "Hit a child in a crosswalk, 4 stars"
    - tajen 8y ago
      Look, I went last week to the police station reporting a minivan who tailed me, then overtook me on the right and drove back into my car. Granted I wasn’t going at full speed (I was maintaining distance with the car in front, which made the minivan driver highly unhappy), but it was at 110km/h and we could all have died. Then the driver flew off. That makes 4 counts of infringement, 5 if you include attempted murder. Response from the judiciary: The prosecutor won’t charge the guy, because the French courts are overwhelmed with same situations with multi-casualty accidents. I wonder how we got here. France.
      - pavel_lishin 8y ago
        I'm not sure what this has to do with giving an Uber/Lyft driver a 1-star rating for reckless driving, but I'm glad you could share a story.
      - idontpost 8y ago
        That's not special to France. You wouldn't get anywhere with that complaint in most nations. In part because your testimony isn't worth much as evidence.
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J-dawg 8y ago

> I assume anything less than 5 stars is going to kill their work so I just give 5 stars I do the same. I feel like Uber drivers are already living in a world that's way too close to that Black Mirror episode, and as someone who probably makes a lot more money than they do, I'm not really comfortable having that kind of power over them. I feel like rating them 5 stars is the least I can do for someone who's doing a difficult and low-paid job and doesn't really deserve to be under constant scrutiny.

jjeaff 8y ago

There is a Black Mirror episode of this. People run around "rating" each other positively in fear that they might get a bad rating. Only when someone shows weakness does the hive mind pounce and pile on the negative reviews.

aldoushuxley001 8y ago
It's like chickens, which will viciously attack any chicken that shows weakness (i.e. if it's missing a toe, it'll likely be murdered by fellow chickens)

throwaway413 8y ago

> I have this working theory that we (people privileged enough to spend lots of time per day on the Internet) are getting close to being able to spend our time in fictional spaces On this note, off-topic: I had a realization the other day that we are so close to being able to replace ourselves on a regular basis with our devices. Our devices are near-perfect proxies for our physical presence, especially with tech like video chat and interacting with our physical world via app or other digital medium. Especially for people like me, who physically carry their ID/debit card strapped to their device via wallet case. I've been picturing ordering an Uber, and instead of getting in the car...I just throw my phone in the back! On some sort of video call. That driver knows where to take "me" - lets say my meeting. That driver can check who I "am" by checking the ID in my phone's wallet case, etc. Obviously there are a lot of holes in this, what if the driver steals my cards, etc. What intrigues me though is the idea that our phones could be stand-in proxies for us. It gets even more interesting when you take drones into account...could I fly my device to a bank with my ID and debit card attached and request a withdrawal of cash via video chat?

birksherty 8y ago

> anything less than 5 stars is going to kill their work Reminded me of the Black Mirror episode Nosedive. May be we are already there. On watching the episode I thought that would never happen. But things change so slowly that it feels completely normal later.

flyGuyOnTheSly 8y ago

I went to a "hot" new restaurant recently... It was busy alright. The owner was running around like a mad person furiously cleaning tables. I enjoyed my meal, the service was great, but as we were leaving I was disgusted to see the owner (who was cleaning tables, mind you) cough into her hand and then use that same hand to wipe down a table. I noticed her voice sounded a bit off as well. Anyways sure enough, the next day, I got sick. When I told my friends I was considering leaving a 1 star review for that restaurant as a result... they were dumfounded... how could I possibly... you pariah you! I was flabbergasted. This restaurant owner came into her own restaurant knowing she was sick, and was publicly cleaning tables with dirty hands that she was coughing into... and I was the one getting pushback for wanting to leave a 1 star review as a result. I left the review, the owner apologized and essentially admitted that she had come into work sick. But I still feel weird about the whole ordeal. What's the point of a review system if you are pressured to always be positive? No matter the circumstances?

s73v3r_ 8y ago
I guess they were thinking that the owner probably didn't have a choice. When the restaurant is just starting, they probably didn't have anyone to take over for them.
- flyGuyOnTheSly 8y ago
  The place had been open for about 1 year already at that point. But even if it was their opening day... it is unacceptable to be cleaning tables if you are sick to the point that you're coughing everywhere. Capitalism shouldn't trump common sense.
atombender 8y ago
The incubation period for colds and flus is several days, usually about a week, so you wouldn't get sick the next day. Unless by "sick" you mean that you got food poisoning, but that wouldn't be from the owner's cough, but rather poor hygiene in the kitchen. Presumably the owner wasn't also making the food.