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Yes, if you're interested you can look up hospitality law or innkeeper law. Airbnb and others attempt to replicate existing services while sidestepping the reg

Yes, if you're interested you can look up hospitality law or innkeeper law. Airbnb and others attempt to replicate existing services while sidestepping the regulations in place, which of course makes them cheaper / faster because they don't have to deal with the regulatory burden..

hitekker 8y ago
>someone gives a reasonable 2 cents >another person screeches at him or her for having an opinion >new commenter calmly rebuts the miscreant. This is why I like HN.
daveFNbuck 8y ago
I tried looking up both of these terms, and I didn't find anything about not being allowed to arbitrarily ban an individual from your hotel.
- hitekker 8y ago
  IANAL, but besides the protected classes that have been linked below, the United States regulates the hospitality industry on a federal, state, and local level. For the guest, that means a legal recourse, and not a medium blogpost. We can quibble about the word “banning”, but the fact remains that, for hotels, there is a body of laws “against [guest] injury, whether accidental or intentional“. For the tech giant that pretends it’s not even in the same industry, there’s just a patchwork of guidelines.
  - lotsofpulp 8y ago
    I'm interested to know what these federal regulations are for hotels. And state and local ones I'm familiar with only deal with life safety measures and making sure hotels are keeping accurate records of the people staying in the hotel.
  - daveFNbuck 8y ago
    I'm still haven't seen anyone claim that you'd have legal recourse if the Hilton refused to rent you a room, unless it was due to protected class status. Wouldn't a person in that analogous situation be stuck with a blog post too?
- noxToken 8y ago
  I was curious, so I did some searching regarding hospitality law. These results are generalized phrasing of the law, so you'd have to search further to get into specifics. IRT the OP, it seemed as if they wanted him to leave the premises early. Forcefully removing a guest would (I assume) fall under eviction. This is legal[0] in certain circumstances. From [0]: > Hotels may generally evict a guest and keep the room rental payment, despite the eviction, for the following reasons: > disorderly conduct > ... The host's review attempts to call the guest disorderly. If we assume that the host's review was 100% accurate, I don't think that could be called disorderly. A hassle to the host? Certainly. Disorderly? Doubtful. Again - the host made an error with the time, and the host wanted the guest to leave early. It would seem that the guest would still have contractual rights to the premises for the full time. [0]: https://travel.uslegal.com/hotel-liability/right-to-evict-persons-admitted-as-guests/ https://travel.uslegal.com/hotel-liability/right-to-evict-pe...
  - daveFNbuck 8y ago
    The question was about banning someone from making a reservation, not about removing a guest.
- insensible 8y ago
  Just the fact that there is legislation or government regulation spelling out conditions under which an eviction can occur means that judicial review is possible and we're not in a loony EULA-fueled scenario where people can be banned with no due process available. So they _can_ do whatever they want, but there's a predictable downside that will tend to get corporate policies aligned to a more reasonable standard. (IANAL.)
  - lotsofpulp 8y ago
    Eviction has to do with tenants, not hotel guests. Hotels don't need any judicial review to ask someone to leave. However, the police may decide not to use force in which case the hotel would have to go the judicial route, but usually not the case. In order to avoid having to deal with eviction regulations, hotels or motels in many states actually require hotel guests to leave the hotel every 29 nights or however long the regulations come into effect that bring in eviction procedures.
    - insensible 8y ago
      My more general point holds. I did not mean that hotels have to involve a judge to boot you. I meant that because they are regulated and not in a semi-private legal gray area, there are more legal options available for someone than OP has with Airbnb, where he's bound by their special agreements that give Airbnb vast power.
      - lotsofpulp 8y ago
        Hotels can do the same thing by inserting that at the bottom of the registration form people sign at check in or in the app. They already might have. I'm just not aware of any laws that would concern a hotel guests stay other than having proper fire safety and ADA compliance.
      - daveFNbuck 8y ago
        The question was very specifically about whether a hotel can refuse to rent you a room. It was not a general question about how they can treat you once you're staying there.

hitekker 8y ago

>someone gives a reasonable 2 cents >another person screeches at him or her for having an opinion >new commenter calmly rebuts the miscreant. This is why I like HN.

daveFNbuck 8y ago

I tried looking up both of these terms, and I didn't find anything about not being allowed to arbitrarily ban an individual from your hotel.

hitekker 8y ago
IANAL, but besides the protected classes that have been linked below, the United States regulates the hospitality industry on a federal, state, and local level. For the guest, that means a legal recourse, and not a medium blogpost. We can quibble about the word “banning”, but the fact remains that, for hotels, there is a body of laws “against [guest] injury, whether accidental or intentional“. For the tech giant that pretends it’s not even in the same industry, there’s just a patchwork of guidelines.
- lotsofpulp 8y ago
  I'm interested to know what these federal regulations are for hotels. And state and local ones I'm familiar with only deal with life safety measures and making sure hotels are keeping accurate records of the people staying in the hotel.
- daveFNbuck 8y ago
  I'm still haven't seen anyone claim that you'd have legal recourse if the Hilton refused to rent you a room, unless it was due to protected class status. Wouldn't a person in that analogous situation be stuck with a blog post too?
noxToken 8y ago
I was curious, so I did some searching regarding hospitality law. These results are generalized phrasing of the law, so you'd have to search further to get into specifics. IRT the OP, it seemed as if they wanted him to leave the premises early. Forcefully removing a guest would (I assume) fall under eviction. This is legal[0] in certain circumstances. From [0]: > Hotels may generally evict a guest and keep the room rental payment, despite the eviction, for the following reasons: > disorderly conduct > ... The host's review attempts to call the guest disorderly. If we assume that the host's review was 100% accurate, I don't think that could be called disorderly. A hassle to the host? Certainly. Disorderly? Doubtful. Again - the host made an error with the time, and the host wanted the guest to leave early. It would seem that the guest would still have contractual rights to the premises for the full time. [0]: https://travel.uslegal.com/hotel-liability/right-to-evict-persons-admitted-as-guests/ https://travel.uslegal.com/hotel-liability/right-to-evict-pe...
- daveFNbuck 8y ago
  The question was about banning someone from making a reservation, not about removing a guest.
insensible 8y ago
Just the fact that there is legislation or government regulation spelling out conditions under which an eviction can occur means that judicial review is possible and we're not in a loony EULA-fueled scenario where people can be banned with no due process available. So they _can_ do whatever they want, but there's a predictable downside that will tend to get corporate policies aligned to a more reasonable standard. (IANAL.)
- lotsofpulp 8y ago
  Eviction has to do with tenants, not hotel guests. Hotels don't need any judicial review to ask someone to leave. However, the police may decide not to use force in which case the hotel would have to go the judicial route, but usually not the case. In order to avoid having to deal with eviction regulations, hotels or motels in many states actually require hotel guests to leave the hotel every 29 nights or however long the regulations come into effect that bring in eviction procedures.
  - insensible 8y ago
    My more general point holds. I did not mean that hotels have to involve a judge to boot you. I meant that because they are regulated and not in a semi-private legal gray area, there are more legal options available for someone than OP has with Airbnb, where he's bound by their special agreements that give Airbnb vast power.
    - lotsofpulp 8y ago
      Hotels can do the same thing by inserting that at the bottom of the registration form people sign at check in or in the app. They already might have. I'm just not aware of any laws that would concern a hotel guests stay other than having proper fire safety and ADA compliance.
    - daveFNbuck 8y ago
      The question was very specifically about whether a hotel can refuse to rent you a room. It was not a general question about how they can treat you once you're staying there.