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Zoning laws were created by progressives for racist reasons http://www.latimes.com/opinion/livable-city/la-oe-vallianatos-sb-827-housing-zoning-20180402-story.

by pitaj 8y ago

Zoning laws were created by progressives for racist reasons http://www.latimes.com/opinion/livable-city/la-oe-vallianatos-sb-827-housing-zoning-20180402-story.html http://www.latimes.com/opinion/livable-city/la-oe-vallianato... https://reason.com/archives/2014/04/02/zonings-racist-roots-still-bear-fruit https://reason.com/archives/2014/04/02/zonings-racist-roots-... Federal policies were also motivated by racism https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/the-racist-housing-policy-that-made-your-neighborhood/371439/ https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/the-rac... and the federal housing project program created ghettos under the guise of providing adorable housing for the poor. They just wanted to concentrate the poor (read "black people") in certain areas.

monocasa 8y ago
It's not really fair to blame this kind of stuff on progressives. For instance, that Reason article calls "Barry Mahool" (actually J. Barry Mahool), a progressive and doesn't really elaborate beyond that, letting the reader assume that his progressivness extending to racial thought at the time. Looking into it, he seems to be thought of a progressive because of his out spoken support for women's suffrage, but as for black people he created the zoning laws as "Blacks should be quarantined in isolated slums in order to reduce the incidents of civil disturbance, to prevent the spread of communicable disease into the nearby White neighborhoods, and to protect property values among the White majority". That's like calling Dick Cheney a progressive because of his out spoken support for gay marriage. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Barry_Mahool https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Barry_Mahool https://www.asu.edu/courses/aph294/total-readings/silver%20--%20racialoriginsofzoning.pdf https://www.asu.edu/courses/aph294/total-readings/silver%20-...
- pitaj 8y ago
  The first progressives came out of the eugenics movement. They were all huge racists. Woodrow Wilson, one of the first progressive presidents, was responsible for segregating the military.
  - monocasa 8y ago
    Words change meaning over time. The progressive era of 1890 to 1920 is a completely different movement than that of today.
    - pitaj 8y ago
      Ok? I never said it was the progressives of today.
      - monocasa 8y ago
        Without context that you're using a word with a century old archaic definition, yes, the assumption is that the progressive movement of today has racist roots.
        pitaj 8y ago
        The progressive movement can't just isolate itself from the evil, bigoted legacy it has. Modern progressives support most of the same policies, but for supposedly different reasons. They still see older progressives as heroes for implementing those policies, despite their bigoted intentions at the time.
        monocasa 8y ago
        They're two different progressive movements. One that died out around 1920, and the current one today. Just because they use the same word, doesn't mean it's the same movement.

by pitaj 8y ago

monocasa 8y ago

It's not really fair to blame this kind of stuff on progressives. For instance, that Reason article calls "Barry Mahool" (actually J. Barry Mahool), a progressive and doesn't really elaborate beyond that, letting the reader assume that his progressivness extending to racial thought at the time. Looking into it, he seems to be thought of a progressive because of his out spoken support for women's suffrage, but as for black people he created the zoning laws as "Blacks should be quarantined in isolated slums in order to reduce the incidents of civil disturbance, to prevent the spread of communicable disease into the nearby White neighborhoods, and to protect property values among the White majority". That's like calling Dick Cheney a progressive because of his out spoken support for gay marriage. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Barry_Mahool https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Barry_Mahool https://www.asu.edu/courses/aph294/total-readings/silver%20--%20racialoriginsofzoning.pdf https://www.asu.edu/courses/aph294/total-readings/silver%20-...

pitaj 8y ago
The first progressives came out of the eugenics movement. They were all huge racists. Woodrow Wilson, one of the first progressive presidents, was responsible for segregating the military.
- monocasa 8y ago
  Words change meaning over time. The progressive era of 1890 to 1920 is a completely different movement than that of today.
  - pitaj 8y ago
    Ok? I never said it was the progressives of today.
    - monocasa 8y ago
      Without context that you're using a word with a century old archaic definition, yes, the assumption is that the progressive movement of today has racist roots.
      - pitaj 8y ago
        The progressive movement can't just isolate itself from the evil, bigoted legacy it has. Modern progressives support most of the same policies, but for supposedly different reasons. They still see older progressives as heroes for implementing those policies, despite their bigoted intentions at the time.
        monocasa 8y ago
        They're two different progressive movements. One that died out around 1920, and the current one today. Just because they use the same word, doesn't mean it's the same movement.