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> Oh, and you will be working with a lot of people that barely can write a loop. That's that. I said it... It's funny although it's true. I'm not a programmer,

> Oh, and you will be working with a lot of people that barely can write a loop. That's that. I said it... It's funny although it's true. I'm not a programmer, but that's the profile of the Java developers that worked in my team. Sad, really...

lmilcin 8y ago
I have worked for a number of companies, big and small, and this is recurring thing. If you are a person looking to get good salary by becoming programmer but you are not really interested in programming, Java is most likely to be your choice. You will never advance, but that's fine. If you are bad enough you will just change company and get your salary from another. There is so much pressure to find Java developers that companies frequently forgo any sane process to check whether the person is actually qualified to do the job. With tools available like CoderPad and the likes there should actually be no excuse to do this but I guess somebody high in HR would be very unhappy seing how few actual Java developers they are able to hire after applying it.
- kookoopuffs 8y ago
  I don't know where you are from but most universities in the U.S. teach Java or C++ as primary language. Pretty much everybody in our school used Java as their interview language and due to the leetcode grinding culture, the interviews are not definitely easy. The companies you talk about sound like they suck.
  - lmilcin 8y ago
    It is easy to write that the company sucks, but the problem isn't that easy. When you work as a manager for the company and you are presented with a new project you can't say you will not do it. In many companies this will mean you are expected to hire people and to get it out the door. In most companies incentives are against "we will ACTUALLY only hire best people".
  - Ornstein 8y ago
    Usually true for graduate hires but lateral hires of experienced devs are more uneven in quality. Where I work, campus recruits are like geniuses, while some experienced engineers are just buzzing through. I remember one of them told me he never used github, after working for 6 months, when we have github enterprise in our own company

lmilcin 8y ago

I have worked for a number of companies, big and small, and this is recurring thing. If you are a person looking to get good salary by becoming programmer but you are not really interested in programming, Java is most likely to be your choice. You will never advance, but that's fine. If you are bad enough you will just change company and get your salary from another. There is so much pressure to find Java developers that companies frequently forgo any sane process to check whether the person is actually qualified to do the job. With tools available like CoderPad and the likes there should actually be no excuse to do this but I guess somebody high in HR would be very unhappy seing how few actual Java developers they are able to hire after applying it.

kookoopuffs 8y ago
I don't know where you are from but most universities in the U.S. teach Java or C++ as primary language. Pretty much everybody in our school used Java as their interview language and due to the leetcode grinding culture, the interviews are not definitely easy. The companies you talk about sound like they suck.
- lmilcin 8y ago
  It is easy to write that the company sucks, but the problem isn't that easy. When you work as a manager for the company and you are presented with a new project you can't say you will not do it. In many companies this will mean you are expected to hire people and to get it out the door. In most companies incentives are against "we will ACTUALLY only hire best people".
- Ornstein 8y ago
  Usually true for graduate hires but lateral hires of experienced devs are more uneven in quality. Where I work, campus recruits are like geniuses, while some experienced engineers are just buzzing through. I remember one of them told me he never used github, after working for 6 months, when we have github enterprise in our own company