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flukus 8y ago
There's nothing personal there, it's a generic insult. Unless Linus know's about the persons breastfeeding history of course. My understanding is that the person being derided here isn't even a kernel developer.
- okal 8y ago
  This is laughable. What would you consider a "personal" insult?
  - flukus 8y ago
    Something personal to an individual, insulting their looks, background, family, etc. If you call me a dickhead it's not a personal insult, call me fat it's getting there and when it's that [redacted] event when I was drunk a few weeks ago it's personal. Anyone that find that Linus spray as "brutally personal" needs a cup of cement.
    - jamienicol 8y ago
      There are plenty of people who don't like being called dickheads and choose not to work in those environments. I will never contribute a line of code upstream to the kernel, as will plenty more people who are much smarter than I am. You and Linus and all his fanboys will no doubt say the kernel is better off without us.
    - treatpeoplewell 8y ago
      If you showed me the sentence "If you call me a dickhead it's not a personal insult" removed from all context I would immediately know that it could only have been posted by a brain genius at Hacker News.
      - flukus 8y ago
        > I would immediately know that it could only have been posted by a brain genius at Hacker News. Have you ever worked or even associated with people in the blue collar world? Dickhead is tame enough to call your friends. Ever watched Gordon Ramsey? He might have better writers than most chefs but the abuse levels are industry wide.
        treatpeoplewell 8y ago
        Dude, when you're in a hole, stop digging.
    - Jasper_ 8y ago
      Since the people that enjoy arguing semantics and splitting hairs love a good "word definitions" argument, let's take a quick look at "personal". Merriam-Webster suggests "of, relating to, or affecting a particular person". So, let's ask ourselves, is the term "dickhead" personal? Does it relate to a particular person? I don't see it relating to anything else, so I'm going to go with "yes" on that one. But I could be missing something. What do you think it relates to?
      - flukus 8y ago
        https://www.google.com.au/search?q=define%3A+personal&oq=define%3A+personal&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i58.7280j1j7&client=ms-android-motorola&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8 https://www.google.com.au/search?q=define%3A+personal&oq=def... > 2. of or concerning one's private life, relationships, and emotions rather than one's career or public life. A much more relevant definition in this context don't you think? It's their public work being attacked, not their private life.
- jwilk 8y ago
  $ git shortlog -s --author Sievers --before 2012-07-06 339 Kay Sievers $ git shortlog -s --author Sievers --after 2012-07-06 12 Kay Sievers
  - __flo 8y ago
    That specific dev was completely banned from kernel development four years ago (two years later): https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/4/2/420 https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/4/2/420. I don't know the persons involved and how much they contributed, but I'm wary of the implied cause.
    - mtrovo 8y ago
      I think it's related to this [1]. The tone of the conversation is unbelievable, is it normal to have this kind of flame wars on kernel? [1] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=76935 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=76935
      - slededit 8y ago
        Its not a like a workplace where the boss can just say "we're going this way". If two parties disagree then the standoff has to be broken somehow. Getting angry isn't always the most effective approach, but it does remove ambiguity about how much a person cares about the issue.

There's nothing personal there, it's a generic insult. Unless Linus know's about the persons breastfeeding history of course. My understanding is that the person being derided here isn't even a kernel developer.

okal 8y ago
This is laughable. What would you consider a "personal" insult?
- flukus 8y ago
  Something personal to an individual, insulting their looks, background, family, etc. If you call me a dickhead it's not a personal insult, call me fat it's getting there and when it's that [redacted] event when I was drunk a few weeks ago it's personal. Anyone that find that Linus spray as "brutally personal" needs a cup of cement.
  - jamienicol 8y ago
    There are plenty of people who don't like being called dickheads and choose not to work in those environments. I will never contribute a line of code upstream to the kernel, as will plenty more people who are much smarter than I am. You and Linus and all his fanboys will no doubt say the kernel is better off without us.
  - treatpeoplewell 8y ago
    If you showed me the sentence "If you call me a dickhead it's not a personal insult" removed from all context I would immediately know that it could only have been posted by a brain genius at Hacker News.
    - flukus 8y ago
      > I would immediately know that it could only have been posted by a brain genius at Hacker News. Have you ever worked or even associated with people in the blue collar world? Dickhead is tame enough to call your friends. Ever watched Gordon Ramsey? He might have better writers than most chefs but the abuse levels are industry wide.
      - treatpeoplewell 8y ago
        Dude, when you're in a hole, stop digging.
  - Jasper_ 8y ago
    Since the people that enjoy arguing semantics and splitting hairs love a good "word definitions" argument, let's take a quick look at "personal". Merriam-Webster suggests "of, relating to, or affecting a particular person". So, let's ask ourselves, is the term "dickhead" personal? Does it relate to a particular person? I don't see it relating to anything else, so I'm going to go with "yes" on that one. But I could be missing something. What do you think it relates to?
    - flukus 8y ago
      https://www.google.com.au/search?q=define%3A+personal&oq=define%3A+personal&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i58.7280j1j7&client=ms-android-motorola&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8 https://www.google.com.au/search?q=define%3A+personal&oq=def... > 2. of or concerning one's private life, relationships, and emotions rather than one's career or public life. A much more relevant definition in this context don't you think? It's their public work being attacked, not their private life.
jwilk 8y ago
$ git shortlog -s --author Sievers --before 2012-07-06 339 Kay Sievers $ git shortlog -s --author Sievers --after 2012-07-06 12 Kay Sievers
- __flo 8y ago
  That specific dev was completely banned from kernel development four years ago (two years later): https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/4/2/420 https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/4/2/420. I don't know the persons involved and how much they contributed, but I'm wary of the implied cause.
  - mtrovo 8y ago
    I think it's related to this [1]. The tone of the conversation is unbelievable, is it normal to have this kind of flame wars on kernel? [1] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=76935 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=76935
    - slededit 8y ago
      Its not a like a workplace where the boss can just say "we're going this way". If two parties disagree then the standoff has to be broken somehow. Getting angry isn't always the most effective approach, but it does remove ambiguity about how much a person cares about the issue.