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Why do people want these companies to participate in philanthropy? Because they think it is the right thing to do. So when companies engage in activities that

by TGJ 16y ago

Why do people want these companies to participate in philanthropy? Because they think it is the right thing to do. So when companies engage in activities that the public believes are right, the public is happy aka, warm and fuzzy. We can go back and forth on what is right and what is not. The issue I see, is that what you are asking in wanting companies to engage in philanthropy, is to have the companies live at your behalf. To have them do what you think is right, whether or not they feel it is right. The public is trying to make the rich slaves to the public's ideals and I think that is the problem.

dinkumthinkum 16y ago
But that's not what you said. You made a pretty incendiary charge that those people are selfish and want to take the credit of helping without actually making the money to do it. That's an entirely different story. Also, I think it is a bit much to say people who want the rich to become philantropists are wanting to enslave them. That may be accurate if you make a cartoon of the whole thing and make caricatures of everyone but it is a bit naive. Sure, maybe people should just shut up about telling others what to do with their money but it's hardly comparable to slavery to state that people with obscene wealth should, if they are to be good people, use some of their money to help people. Now, some might argue that actually helping people hurts them - that's fine. But that's not the point I'm making (by the way, that's pretty ridiculous as well!)
- TGJ 16y ago
  I've been thinking about this all day long. I don't understand why it's so hard to understand and I don't mean that is a bad way, just a observational thought. Being good and giving to others is great. Wanting others to do the same is fine. Expecting them to do it is wrong. Do you get the nuances of each statement? When you declare that others should live as you would, you are saying 'I know better.' When you expect people to do the same as you would, you judge them based on their actions. You are being selfish by expecting everyone else to live like you and not be their own self. When other people do not do as you like and you try to force them to do something (in this case a steamy news article) you have taken the position as master in the master/slave arrangement. You might think slavery is bad simply because of the cruelty, I see slavery as the relationship of those in power demanding from others any action they deem fit. Slavery as the coercion of other people by any means, normally a whip, this time with supposed morals. (If other people have to participate in your morals for them to be correct, then they are not morals at all.) To go further about the selfish part, When other people do the things you want and that makes you feel good, you are being selfish because you are not letting that person do things for themselves. You are making them do things for your own self to feel right. If you were not selfish, the actions of other people would not make a difference.

by TGJ 16y ago

dinkumthinkum 16y ago

But that's not what you said. You made a pretty incendiary charge that those people are selfish and want to take the credit of helping without actually making the money to do it. That's an entirely different story. Also, I think it is a bit much to say people who want the rich to become philantropists are wanting to enslave them. That may be accurate if you make a cartoon of the whole thing and make caricatures of everyone but it is a bit naive. Sure, maybe people should just shut up about telling others what to do with their money but it's hardly comparable to slavery to state that people with obscene wealth should, if they are to be good people, use some of their money to help people. Now, some might argue that actually helping people hurts them - that's fine. But that's not the point I'm making (by the way, that's pretty ridiculous as well!)

TGJ 16y ago
I've been thinking about this all day long. I don't understand why it's so hard to understand and I don't mean that is a bad way, just a observational thought. Being good and giving to others is great. Wanting others to do the same is fine. Expecting them to do it is wrong. Do you get the nuances of each statement? When you declare that others should live as you would, you are saying 'I know better.' When you expect people to do the same as you would, you judge them based on their actions. You are being selfish by expecting everyone else to live like you and not be their own self. When other people do not do as you like and you try to force them to do something (in this case a steamy news article) you have taken the position as master in the master/slave arrangement. You might think slavery is bad simply because of the cruelty, I see slavery as the relationship of those in power demanding from others any action they deem fit. Slavery as the coercion of other people by any means, normally a whip, this time with supposed morals. (If other people have to participate in your morals for them to be correct, then they are not morals at all.) To go further about the selfish part, When other people do the things you want and that makes you feel good, you are being selfish because you are not letting that person do things for themselves. You are making them do things for your own self to feel right. If you were not selfish, the actions of other people would not make a difference.