Okay, I'm looking at the numbers more closely now and I concede that Europe's most densely populated city, an extreme outlier, is more densely populated than Am

Okay, I'm looking at the numbers more closely now and I concede that Europe's most densely populated city, an extreme outlier, is more densely populated than America's extreme outlier. I also concede that it is denser than Dallas, which is one of the least dense cities in the United States. If you look at the population densities of median American and European cities, they're quite similar (~13,000/sq mi. or 5000/sq km.). Which makes me wonder why you insist on comparing two cities that are not remotely comparable. Seems like cherry picking. > ED: I should add that I don't consider New York an average American city because it's a success! I'm almost curious why you consider the "average" U.S. city "not a success", but this remark smells too much of the pompous anti-American groupthink that has become so popular on HN lately, so I know better than to expect a rational explanation. Honestly, I'm starting to find your undeservedly superior attitude and cherry-picked data tiresome, so I don't think I'll bother with this conversation anymore. Have a nice night.