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I didn't have time to dig up more studies but I certainly could if I was paid to. My claim is true and all research on this topic has overwhelmingly confirmed m

I didn't have time to dig up more studies but I certainly could if I was paid to. My claim is true and all research on this topic has overwhelmingly confirmed my claim on male group behavior in apes, humans included. In any case I've acted in good faith to contribute positively to the discourse. I haven't antagonized anyone and I've provided relevant new information that might shine new light on the discussion at hand. If anyone isn't meeting the standards of civil discourse, it's you and whoever flagged my comment. You'd think people on HN would be curious about new ideas. Instead all potential positive discourse is shut down due to a single individual's subjective judgment of what is inflammatory, despite it being scientific consensus. It's clear this isn't a space for civil discourse amongst reasonable people.

dang 8y ago
The problem is that they aren't new ideas in the sense that matters here. They fall into very well-grooved grooves and we know from experience where those lead. It isn't groovy. When we moderate HN like this, we don't mean to imply that you weren't posting in good faith. We're just being vigilant about what is known to cause flamewars. Flamewars are the #1 problem here because they consume everything they touch and can easily lead to the death-by-fire of the forum. We're basically just being Smokey Bear, or Smoky Bear's ranger friend. It's interesting to observe that the above holds true even if you're right in everything you said. The old question "would you rather be right or alive?" applies here.
- comesee 8y ago
  What would be new in the sense that matters? I think it was a natural flow of discussion: someone gives their perspective on an event, another person shares a related scientific fact that supports that perspective. You aren't being clear, instead you are throwing out abstract words like flamewar, flamebait, groovy, etc. I'm not getting the memo. Please be specific, what exactly was wrong with that post? Do you have a standardized list of topics that you guys censor for fear of flamewars? Can you share that list with the community? If not, this seems arbitrary, illiberal, anti-intellectual, dictatorial.
  - dang 8y ago
    Sorry, but this is the classic legalistic gambit of the troll. It's not hard to figure out the intended use of the site. If you don't want to use it that way, please don't post here and please don't make new accounts to get around the restrictions.
    - comesee 8y ago
      What is legalistic gambit of the troll? Are you calling me a troll? Look at my history, does that bear out? Now you're telling me not to use the site? I'm sitting here taking my time trying to be as precise as possible with my thoughts. How can I make it any more clear I'm acting in good faith? I'm rapidly becoming more and more confused about this entire thread and neither you nor sctb have been specific, that is clear for anyone to see. Your refusal to be specific when I've directly asked you to clarify is especially worrisome. Please really try to empathize with me here, how would you feel if you were in my position? I'm trying to engage honestly here.
    - v_lisivka 8y ago
      Dang, you are not listening to user problems. I was moderator for more than 10 years on linux.org.ua and nobody told me that I was bad moderator. I also regular user on other forums/sites, so I have view on the problem from both sides. HN is badly moderated. However, most problems with moderation/flames/etc., can be fixed using technology or by writing better rules. If you are interesting in fixing of HN problems, contact me: vlisivka@gmail.com .
      - dang 8y ago
        Happy to listen to user opinions and do so every day, but when someone has a history of not following the site rules, as you do, their complaints become less compelling. This can be fixed by reading https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the spirit of this site to heart, and using at as intended from now on.
        8y ago

dang 8y ago

The problem is that they aren't new ideas in the sense that matters here. They fall into very well-grooved grooves and we know from experience where those lead. It isn't groovy. When we moderate HN like this, we don't mean to imply that you weren't posting in good faith. We're just being vigilant about what is known to cause flamewars. Flamewars are the #1 problem here because they consume everything they touch and can easily lead to the death-by-fire of the forum. We're basically just being Smokey Bear, or Smoky Bear's ranger friend. It's interesting to observe that the above holds true even if you're right in everything you said. The old question "would you rather be right or alive?" applies here.

comesee 8y ago
What would be new in the sense that matters? I think it was a natural flow of discussion: someone gives their perspective on an event, another person shares a related scientific fact that supports that perspective. You aren't being clear, instead you are throwing out abstract words like flamewar, flamebait, groovy, etc. I'm not getting the memo. Please be specific, what exactly was wrong with that post? Do you have a standardized list of topics that you guys censor for fear of flamewars? Can you share that list with the community? If not, this seems arbitrary, illiberal, anti-intellectual, dictatorial.
- dang 8y ago
  Sorry, but this is the classic legalistic gambit of the troll. It's not hard to figure out the intended use of the site. If you don't want to use it that way, please don't post here and please don't make new accounts to get around the restrictions.
  - comesee 8y ago
    What is legalistic gambit of the troll? Are you calling me a troll? Look at my history, does that bear out? Now you're telling me not to use the site? I'm sitting here taking my time trying to be as precise as possible with my thoughts. How can I make it any more clear I'm acting in good faith? I'm rapidly becoming more and more confused about this entire thread and neither you nor sctb have been specific, that is clear for anyone to see. Your refusal to be specific when I've directly asked you to clarify is especially worrisome. Please really try to empathize with me here, how would you feel if you were in my position? I'm trying to engage honestly here.
  - v_lisivka 8y ago
    Dang, you are not listening to user problems. I was moderator for more than 10 years on linux.org.ua and nobody told me that I was bad moderator. I also regular user on other forums/sites, so I have view on the problem from both sides. HN is badly moderated. However, most problems with moderation/flames/etc., can be fixed using technology or by writing better rules. If you are interesting in fixing of HN problems, contact me: vlisivka@gmail.com .
    - dang 8y ago
      Happy to listen to user opinions and do so every day, but when someone has a history of not following the site rules, as you do, their complaints become less compelling. This can be fixed by reading https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the spirit of this site to heart, and using at as intended from now on.
      - 8y ago