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Not my experience. I have to use windows at work. Got ubuntu running in a vm. Buggy as shit. - sharing screen in hangouts puts chrome on every virtual desktop

Not my experience. I have to use windows at work. Got ubuntu running in a vm. Buggy as shit. - sharing screen in hangouts puts chrome on every virtual desktop so now you can't click on chrome to navigate to that desktop - slack crashes silently every 24 hours - virtual desktops is a mess, if one window overflows into another desktop, then when you click on that app ubuntu will take you to the desktop where you see the least amount of your application, usually just a few pixels on the top of the screen - copy-paste sucks balls, in some applications it's ctrl-c in others its shift-ctrl-c and some applications will copy to clipboard if you select a string - keyboard support is terrible, in intellij i can't type `or ´ or ~ but I can type all those in gedit and then i have to copy paste them over - ctrl-a and ctrl-e don't work in most applications, even though these are old school shortcuts that work nearly everywhere on a mac - installing applications is always terrible on ubuntu. You can install from their app-store, if that works (50/50 odds) but you can't get intellij there, or sublime. To install sublime I had to find a blog post with 4-5 steps I needed to do. For intellij I also found a blogpost, but when I need to upgrade intellij I couldn't find it anymore and had to delete everything inside my intellij folder and copy a new intellij in.

DennisAleynikov 8y ago
the only viable linux platform remaining is the one loosely organised and licensed around the world called "Android". with recent advances in ARM64 chips and extremely fast processors some OEM's are releasing desktop modes for android. Its truly the final frontier of linux, hopefully this idea can aleviate those issues you've had with linux. Applications work consistently on Android although there is still the app gap of stuff not yet ported onto google play store.
fcbrooklyn 8y ago
I was a windows guy for many years before switching to OSX in 2006 (I actually worked for microsoft in the early 90's, but we all hated windows as much as the rest of the world, maybe moreso, because we had to develop on weekly builds). Therefore I have seen windows suck in a wide variety of ways, hence my desire to try it for 30 days and return it if needs be. In all my years in the windows world. I've never seen an app use anything other than ctrl-c/ctrl-v for copy paste (ok, I think you used to be able to do ctrl-ins, shift-ins, but that was optional), but the rest of your experiences sound quite plausible. I haven't run into any of them. Also, I don't have to restart my wifi 5 times a day anymore, which is kind of a nice win. EDIT: Oops, I thought these were complaints about windows (highly plausible!). actually it's unix under windows. Apologies.
- pmontra 8y ago
  Does ctrl c work in a terminal window, either cmd, powershell or putty?
  - fcbrooklyn 8y ago
    Just tried it in cmd, powershell, and cmder, and it worked in all three. Don't have putty.
  - 1inuxoid 8y ago
    Well, Windows only had Ctrl-Break for the thing you were thinking about, and it's probably still true.
herbst 8y ago
I know classic Linux defense bullshit but these all aren't typical 'Linux issues'. I can only guess the desktop you used but I assume we talk about Unity/Wayland. Ubuntu removed Unity meanwhile for the Way cleaner Gnome Shell (however I don't know if they have some custom bullshit in there again) Shortcuts are often miss configured on system level. I noticed nonsense issues therelike as well on Ubuntu. There are highly different software repository concepts like pacman and the AUR on arch where you have a package selection right there you could never experience anywhere else. What I am trying to say is that there is no one Linux, I don't like vanilla Ubuntu. However having used any OS in the recent years I love going back to MY Linux. Edit:// oh the shortcuts are also likely due to the VM I just realized
- jamesgeck0 8y ago
  He also complains about a Chrome bug, a Slack bug, and an IntilliJ bug. 3rd parties doing no QA and not respecting UX conventions on the most popular distro is a problem, but not really with Linux.
  - Volt 8y ago
    Kind of missing the point, when he/she is simply talking about the day-to-day experience of using the OS.
    - michaelmrose 8y ago
      2 out of three are proprietary software that you pay for and all 3 have free alternatives that are better. He's also running unknown version of Ubuntu, probably old, that he doesn't know how to use properly. Odds are really great he's one of those that pastes unknown terminal commands from blog posts to achieve goals he doesn't quite understand and his install is screwed up in some way that would require hours of troubleshooting or 30 minutes to install over top of. Its like reading an analysis of Chinese quisine written by a guy who only buys past date 99c frozen dinners.
nobleach 8y ago
That CTRL+SHIFT+C thing in Gnome Terminal/Ubuntu (and some others) has driven me nuts for years!!! yes, I get that CTRL+c means something different in the context of shell execution. But it's still maddening.
- mixmastamyk 8y ago
  Use the mouse to select and middle click to paste. Right-click copy if you want the primary clipboard.
  - RussianCow 8y ago
    Middle click to paste is an unrelated thing that drives me up the wall in Linux. Many of the programs I use on a daily basis have specific actions triggered by a middle click that I use often, but if I miss my target and hit a text area instead, it injects whatever I had in my clipboard into the text, often without me realizing it until later. (In one instance, my clipboard contents made it into an email I sent out. Thankfully, it was minor enough that it just looked like a typo, but it could have been much worse.) Unfortunately, I'm not aware of any way to turn off this behavior.
  - nobleach 8y ago
    I have no mouse!!! (I'm a keyboard only type)
    - dredmorbius 8y ago
      gpm FTFW!
    - Stratoscope 8y ago
      I Have No Mouse, and I Must Scream
      - p1esk 8y ago
        Bravo!
pizza234 8y ago
> installing applications is always terrible on ubuntu. there are three main was of "installing applications on ubuntu": 1. main software repositories; this is essentially 1-click install (if you go through the software management application) 2. installing from a PPA (e.g. Sublime); this is 1-line copy/execute (add-apt-repository XYZ), then update (apt update) and 1-click install 3. rarely, you install binaries directly; this is a double click. none of them is terrible. the vast majority of the Ubuntu/Debian linux software is provided and installed via 1. (update obsessed users use 2.), which is a much faster workflow than windows, and immensely safer. If a software is fidgety in a version 3 installer, it has nothing to do with Linux, as it's almost exactly the counterpart of the typical windows installation, it's just badly packaged by the developer; binary installers are a small minority anyway. > copy-paste sucks balls, in some applications it's ctrl-c in others its shift-ctrl-c and some applications will copy to clipboard if you select a string this is not correct. Ctrl+C/V are the standard, the exception (not "some applications") being the terminal, because Ctrl+C has different semantics. > keyboard support is terrible, in intellij i can't type `or ´ or ~ but I can type all those in gedit and then i have to copy paste them over you may have a misconfigured keyboard. run the live version of ubuntu, test the keyboard with the installer, then configure the same on your installed system.
- Forbo 8y ago
  When using the "Ubuntu Software" application I am shown results for snaps, as well as results from the apt repos. Creates a bit of confusion as to which one should be installed, even more so when version numbers vary between the two.
  - monocasa 8y ago
    I use snaps for isolated software that I want more or less continuous stable updates for, apt for system components that'll stay on the same major version until I upgrade the OS.
- amorphid 8y ago
  >> copy-paste sucks balls, in some applications it's ctrl-c in others its shift-ctrl-c and some applications will copy to clipboard if you select a string > this is not correct. Ctrl+C/V are the standard, the exception (not "some applications") being the terminal, because Ctrl+C has different semantics. I agree that it sucks (in a CMD shell). It's the reason I switched to a Mac when I became a developer. Maybe it's come a long way. I've heard good things about PowerShell, too, but honestly haven't played with it much. As far as the Linux subsystem, I wouldn't use it for anything serious. It choked the first time I tried installing Elixir. I'd probably rely on a Vagrant VM running in VirtualBox (or whatever VM host makes the most sense on Windows).
roryisok 8y ago
> ctrl-a and ctrl-e what the hell does ctrl-e do?
- petercooper 8y ago
  They're analogous to Home and End.
- na85 8y ago
  Emacs shortcuts for beginning and end of line.
  - josteink 8y ago
    Thus also shell/generic readline shortcuts.
frenchie14 8y ago
I have a similar setup at work, albeit Ubuntu VM in a Mac OS host (I don't like Mac OS). A lot of these sound like VM issues. For example - the copy to clipboard if you select a string. That's how your VM is "sharing" the clipboard between the VM and the host. Try highlighting a string in the VM and then hitting paste in a text editor in the host and you'll see what I mean.
- jason_slack 8y ago
  Are you using VMWare Fusion or Parallels or ??
andrepd 8y ago
I have been running Ubuntu or derivatives on a laptop for the past 6 years and I rarely had any issues at all. Rock solid and fast.
michaelmrose 8y ago
"Got ubuntu running in a vm. Buggy as shit." I have 3 different distros running on as many machines all work fine and one is based on ubuntu LTS. Probably what you should be running but whatever. "- keyboard support is terrible, in intellij i can't type `or ´ or ~ but I can type all those in gedit and then i have to copy paste them over" Do you really believe people have this issue? Do you think we all have emailed ourselves documents full of all the characters are OS are too broken to recognize? Something is screwed up about how your vm or your vm software is configured that you are blaming on the OS. I have used over a dozen distros in a multitude of versions and none had any problem with hitting a key and having a character appear on the screen. "virtual desktops is a mess, if one window overflows into another desktop, then when you click on that app ubuntu will take you to the desktop where you see the least amount of your application, usually just a few pixels on the top of the screen" This sounds sub-optimal but may I suggest you keep windows on one screen. Most environments provide a hotkey to move a window to a certain screen and many provide hotkeys to resize it to either fill the entire screen or some portion thereof like the left/right/top/bottom half or just drag the window all the way onto the screen you intend to use it on. Personally I prefer the way i3wm handles virtual desktops. They are PER monitor. Optimally you just assign each workspace to a particular output. Example 1-5 on left monitor 6-0 on right and switch a given output and to a given workspace with one click of super or cmd + number. Want to view your chat app on the right monitor while leaving your browser alone on the left cmd + 7. Its also substantially lightweight which means it would work better on a vm. The great thing about it is that there isn't ONE way to handle virtual desktops there are a bunch of different environments available one of which probably works optimally for you. "- ctrl-a and ctrl-e don't work in most applications, even though these are old school shortcuts that work nearly everywhere on a mac" Many applications are configurable but honestly different environments different conventions this isn't a bug its just a difference. "- installing applications is always terrible on ubuntu. You can install from their app-store, if that works (50/50 odds) but you can't get intellij there, or sublime. To install sublime I had to find a blog post with 4-5 steps I needed to do. For intellij I also found a blogpost, but when I need to upgrade intellij I couldn't find it anymore and had to delete everything inside my intellij folder and copy a new intellij in." Installing applications is fantastically easy and works every single time. Most common stuff is available in the repo and you can apt install foo or use the gui if you like. Most less common stuff is available in a 3rd party repo. If you need such the workflow is google ppa somesoftware note the ppa involved and run add-apt-repository ppa:something apt-get update apt install foo if you get bored and want to automate that in fish function ppa sudo add-apt-repository ppa:$argv sudo apt-get update if [ $argv[2..-1] ] sudo apt install $argv[2..-1] end end ppa someaddress somesoftware bam installed example want newer gimp ppa otto-kesselgulasch/gimp gimp When you say it works 50/50 you don't mean that it fails half the time you mean that it installs almost all things just fine save for a few quite frankly mediocre poorly chosen apps that you simultaneously actually pay money for but don't get good support for your environment. This is probably because your environment is some 7 year old version of ubuntu that is similar to what your servers are running. Seriously the last time I installed intelij I just had to unzip an archive, add to path, and tell it where to get java. This "Install" in /opt actually survived multiple distros and worked without complaint. Shockingly the instructions you found on the internet probably didn't cover the case of running new sofware on an obsolete base.
EatYourGreens 8y ago
> - ctrl-a and ctrl-e don't work in most applications, even though these are old school shortcuts that work nearly everywhere on a mac The shortcuts for text fields on Windows are not consistent either, are they? I am very used to the organization of shortcuts on macOS, especially those for text editing. Strangely, that's what I miss on Linux the most now. However, it's probably easier to provide them to users when there is only one mainstream GUI toolkit (and, for instance, in Office for mac some of those shortcuts don't work).
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DennisAleynikov 8y ago

the only viable linux platform remaining is the one loosely organised and licensed around the world called "Android". with recent advances in ARM64 chips and extremely fast processors some OEM's are releasing desktop modes for android. Its truly the final frontier of linux, hopefully this idea can aleviate those issues you've had with linux. Applications work consistently on Android although there is still the app gap of stuff not yet ported onto google play store.

fcbrooklyn 8y ago

I was a windows guy for many years before switching to OSX in 2006 (I actually worked for microsoft in the early 90's, but we all hated windows as much as the rest of the world, maybe moreso, because we had to develop on weekly builds). Therefore I have seen windows suck in a wide variety of ways, hence my desire to try it for 30 days and return it if needs be. In all my years in the windows world. I've never seen an app use anything other than ctrl-c/ctrl-v for copy paste (ok, I think you used to be able to do ctrl-ins, shift-ins, but that was optional), but the rest of your experiences sound quite plausible. I haven't run into any of them. Also, I don't have to restart my wifi 5 times a day anymore, which is kind of a nice win. EDIT: Oops, I thought these were complaints about windows (highly plausible!). actually it's unix under windows. Apologies.

pmontra 8y ago
Does ctrl c work in a terminal window, either cmd, powershell or putty?
- fcbrooklyn 8y ago
  Just tried it in cmd, powershell, and cmder, and it worked in all three. Don't have putty.
- 1inuxoid 8y ago
  Well, Windows only had Ctrl-Break for the thing you were thinking about, and it's probably still true.

herbst 8y ago

I know classic Linux defense bullshit but these all aren't typical 'Linux issues'. I can only guess the desktop you used but I assume we talk about Unity/Wayland. Ubuntu removed Unity meanwhile for the Way cleaner Gnome Shell (however I don't know if they have some custom bullshit in there again) Shortcuts are often miss configured on system level. I noticed nonsense issues therelike as well on Ubuntu. There are highly different software repository concepts like pacman and the AUR on arch where you have a package selection right there you could never experience anywhere else. What I am trying to say is that there is no one Linux, I don't like vanilla Ubuntu. However having used any OS in the recent years I love going back to MY Linux. Edit:// oh the shortcuts are also likely due to the VM I just realized

jamesgeck0 8y ago
He also complains about a Chrome bug, a Slack bug, and an IntilliJ bug. 3rd parties doing no QA and not respecting UX conventions on the most popular distro is a problem, but not really with Linux.
- Volt 8y ago
  Kind of missing the point, when he/she is simply talking about the day-to-day experience of using the OS.
  - michaelmrose 8y ago
    2 out of three are proprietary software that you pay for and all 3 have free alternatives that are better. He's also running unknown version of Ubuntu, probably old, that he doesn't know how to use properly. Odds are really great he's one of those that pastes unknown terminal commands from blog posts to achieve goals he doesn't quite understand and his install is screwed up in some way that would require hours of troubleshooting or 30 minutes to install over top of. Its like reading an analysis of Chinese quisine written by a guy who only buys past date 99c frozen dinners.

nobleach 8y ago

That CTRL+SHIFT+C thing in Gnome Terminal/Ubuntu (and some others) has driven me nuts for years!!! yes, I get that CTRL+c means something different in the context of shell execution. But it's still maddening.

mixmastamyk 8y ago
Use the mouse to select and middle click to paste. Right-click copy if you want the primary clipboard.
- RussianCow 8y ago
  Middle click to paste is an unrelated thing that drives me up the wall in Linux. Many of the programs I use on a daily basis have specific actions triggered by a middle click that I use often, but if I miss my target and hit a text area instead, it injects whatever I had in my clipboard into the text, often without me realizing it until later. (In one instance, my clipboard contents made it into an email I sent out. Thankfully, it was minor enough that it just looked like a typo, but it could have been much worse.) Unfortunately, I'm not aware of any way to turn off this behavior.
- nobleach 8y ago
  I have no mouse!!! (I'm a keyboard only type)
  - dredmorbius 8y ago
    gpm FTFW!
  - Stratoscope 8y ago
    I Have No Mouse, and I Must Scream
    - p1esk 8y ago
      Bravo!

pizza234 8y ago

> installing applications is always terrible on ubuntu. there are three main was of "installing applications on ubuntu": 1. main software repositories; this is essentially 1-click install (if you go through the software management application) 2. installing from a PPA (e.g. Sublime); this is 1-line copy/execute (add-apt-repository XYZ), then update (apt update) and 1-click install 3. rarely, you install binaries directly; this is a double click. none of them is terrible. the vast majority of the Ubuntu/Debian linux software is provided and installed via 1. (update obsessed users use 2.), which is a much faster workflow than windows, and immensely safer. If a software is fidgety in a version 3 installer, it has nothing to do with Linux, as it's almost exactly the counterpart of the typical windows installation, it's just badly packaged by the developer; binary installers are a small minority anyway. > copy-paste sucks balls, in some applications it's ctrl-c in others its shift-ctrl-c and some applications will copy to clipboard if you select a string this is not correct. Ctrl+C/V are the standard, the exception (not "some applications") being the terminal, because Ctrl+C has different semantics. > keyboard support is terrible, in intellij i can't type `or ´ or ~ but I can type all those in gedit and then i have to copy paste them over you may have a misconfigured keyboard. run the live version of ubuntu, test the keyboard with the installer, then configure the same on your installed system.

Forbo 8y ago
When using the "Ubuntu Software" application I am shown results for snaps, as well as results from the apt repos. Creates a bit of confusion as to which one should be installed, even more so when version numbers vary between the two.
- monocasa 8y ago
  I use snaps for isolated software that I want more or less continuous stable updates for, apt for system components that'll stay on the same major version until I upgrade the OS.
amorphid 8y ago
>> copy-paste sucks balls, in some applications it's ctrl-c in others its shift-ctrl-c and some applications will copy to clipboard if you select a string > this is not correct. Ctrl+C/V are the standard, the exception (not "some applications") being the terminal, because Ctrl+C has different semantics. I agree that it sucks (in a CMD shell). It's the reason I switched to a Mac when I became a developer. Maybe it's come a long way. I've heard good things about PowerShell, too, but honestly haven't played with it much. As far as the Linux subsystem, I wouldn't use it for anything serious. It choked the first time I tried installing Elixir. I'd probably rely on a Vagrant VM running in VirtualBox (or whatever VM host makes the most sense on Windows).

roryisok 8y ago

> ctrl-a and ctrl-e what the hell does ctrl-e do?

petercooper 8y ago
They're analogous to Home and End.
na85 8y ago
Emacs shortcuts for beginning and end of line.
- josteink 8y ago
  Thus also shell/generic readline shortcuts.

frenchie14 8y ago

I have a similar setup at work, albeit Ubuntu VM in a Mac OS host (I don't like Mac OS). A lot of these sound like VM issues. For example - the copy to clipboard if you select a string. That's how your VM is "sharing" the clipboard between the VM and the host. Try highlighting a string in the VM and then hitting paste in a text editor in the host and you'll see what I mean.

jason_slack 8y ago
Are you using VMWare Fusion or Parallels or ??

andrepd 8y ago

I have been running Ubuntu or derivatives on a laptop for the past 6 years and I rarely had any issues at all. Rock solid and fast.

michaelmrose 8y ago

"Got ubuntu running in a vm. Buggy as shit." I have 3 different distros running on as many machines all work fine and one is based on ubuntu LTS. Probably what you should be running but whatever. "- keyboard support is terrible, in intellij i can't type `or ´ or ~ but I can type all those in gedit and then i have to copy paste them over" Do you really believe people have this issue? Do you think we all have emailed ourselves documents full of all the characters are OS are too broken to recognize? Something is screwed up about how your vm or your vm software is configured that you are blaming on the OS. I have used over a dozen distros in a multitude of versions and none had any problem with hitting a key and having a character appear on the screen. "virtual desktops is a mess, if one window overflows into another desktop, then when you click on that app ubuntu will take you to the desktop where you see the least amount of your application, usually just a few pixels on the top of the screen" This sounds sub-optimal but may I suggest you keep windows on one screen. Most environments provide a hotkey to move a window to a certain screen and many provide hotkeys to resize it to either fill the entire screen or some portion thereof like the left/right/top/bottom half or just drag the window all the way onto the screen you intend to use it on. Personally I prefer the way i3wm handles virtual desktops. They are PER monitor. Optimally you just assign each workspace to a particular output. Example 1-5 on left monitor 6-0 on right and switch a given output and to a given workspace with one click of super or cmd + number. Want to view your chat app on the right monitor while leaving your browser alone on the left cmd + 7. Its also substantially lightweight which means it would work better on a vm. The great thing about it is that there isn't ONE way to handle virtual desktops there are a bunch of different environments available one of which probably works optimally for you. "- ctrl-a and ctrl-e don't work in most applications, even though these are old school shortcuts that work nearly everywhere on a mac" Many applications are configurable but honestly different environments different conventions this isn't a bug its just a difference. "- installing applications is always terrible on ubuntu. You can install from their app-store, if that works (50/50 odds) but you can't get intellij there, or sublime. To install sublime I had to find a blog post with 4-5 steps I needed to do. For intellij I also found a blogpost, but when I need to upgrade intellij I couldn't find it anymore and had to delete everything inside my intellij folder and copy a new intellij in." Installing applications is fantastically easy and works every single time. Most common stuff is available in the repo and you can apt install foo or use the gui if you like. Most less common stuff is available in a 3rd party repo. If you need such the workflow is google ppa somesoftware note the ppa involved and run add-apt-repository ppa:something apt-get update apt install foo if you get bored and want to automate that in fish function ppa sudo add-apt-repository ppa:$argv sudo apt-get update if [ $argv[2..-1] ] sudo apt install $argv[2..-1] end end ppa someaddress somesoftware bam installed example want newer gimp ppa otto-kesselgulasch/gimp gimp When you say it works 50/50 you don't mean that it fails half the time you mean that it installs almost all things just fine save for a few quite frankly mediocre poorly chosen apps that you simultaneously actually pay money for but don't get good support for your environment. This is probably because your environment is some 7 year old version of ubuntu that is similar to what your servers are running. Seriously the last time I installed intelij I just had to unzip an archive, add to path, and tell it where to get java. This "Install" in /opt actually survived multiple distros and worked without complaint. Shockingly the instructions you found on the internet probably didn't cover the case of running new sofware on an obsolete base.

EatYourGreens 8y ago

> - ctrl-a and ctrl-e don't work in most applications, even though these are old school shortcuts that work nearly everywhere on a mac The shortcuts for text fields on Windows are not consistent either, are they? I am very used to the organization of shortcuts on macOS, especially those for text editing. Strangely, that's what I miss on Linux the most now. However, it's probably easier to provide them to users when there is only one mainstream GUI toolkit (and, for instance, in Office for mac some of those shortcuts don't work).

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