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Yes. And the same goes with finance people, and people in lots of other fields. Jargon rich conversations that outsiders think is mumbo-jumbo.

IrishJourno 8y ago
I'm the author of the Spectrum article: this is the exact reason why I get paid for my job :)
- fit2rule 8y ago
  You did a great job of inspiring me to understand something I have, literally, not even the foggiest iota of a clue about. I finished your article in awe at the human species.
  - IrishJourno 8y ago
    Then I consider that a job very well done :) We can do some pretty neat stuff as a species when we want to...
- nonbel 8y ago
  >"After 3.9 billion years of hurtling unhindered through the vast reaches of the universe, a ghostly neutrino particle died on 22 September 2017. It was annihilated when it collided with an atom in the frozen darkness two kilometers beneath the surface of the south polar ice cap." Your article says the neutrino came from far away, which disagrees with that post that says it was probably "photonuclear with local photons".
  - cozzyd 8y ago
    That's exactly why the author gets paid. By local I meant near the source, not near us.
    - nonbel 8y ago
      Not saying you are wrong about the terminology, but if local photons are "produced at the source", the use of "local" seems to be redundant. When would a photon not be created at the source? What is a non-local photon, only CMB photons?
      - raziel2701 8y ago
        If you're in a field in a windy day you cannot tell where the wind is originating from. If you're in a room with a fan turned on, you can tell where the wind is being sourced. The source of the wind has been localized in this latter scenario, whereas in the first you can detect the wind but you can't tell what the source of the wind is. That's the gist of the local versus non-local neutrinos being detected.
        nonbel 8y ago
        So if I know the source but you don't, its local to me but non-local to you?
      - cozzyd 8y ago
        I am probably being confusing because there are distinct photons involved here... the ones that protons interact with to make neutrinos, and the gamma rays (which are of course, just high-energy photons) detected by FERMI or MAGIC. ' The neutrinos are produced in the process: proton + photon -> (usually) Delta_1232 (basically an excited proton, which is very unstable so that's why you may not have heard of it)-> neutron + pion -> proton + neutrinos, provided there is enough energy available to make pions. The same process also makes gammas (from a neutral pion instead of a charged pion), but there are also lots of other processes that produce gammas (which again, are just high-energy photons). The protons are accelerated at the source. The photons that the protons interact with to make neutrinos may either be local to the source (i.e. in the same galaxy, such that the neutrino is produced within the galaxy) or the proton could propagate some distance, bending in the intergalactic magnetic field and, if it's energetic enough, interact with a CMB photon (which are very low energy but everywhere in the universe, courtesy of the big bang). The former are likely the astrophysical neutrinos, while the latter are by definition the GZK neutrinos. The astrophysical neutrinos are at lower energy because inside galaxies, photons with higher energy than the CMB photons are available, allowing pion production at lower energies.
- munificent 8y ago
  You did great. Precise, informative, and evocative. Really fun to read.
  - IrishJourno 8y ago
    Thanks!
- bacon_waffle 8y ago
  Great article, thanks! OT: I keep meaning to join IEEE - do you get any commission or perks for referrals?
  - IrishJourno 8y ago
    I don't get any commission or perks, but I would honestly still encourage you to join the IEEE: It takes its mission of "foster[ing] technological innovation and excellence for the benefit of humanity" quite seriously, plus you get a copy of IEEE Spectrum every month, filled with cool articles from me and my colleagues -- if there's a deliberately moving electron associated with a topic somewhere, we're likely to cover it. :)

IrishJourno 8y ago

I'm the author of the Spectrum article: this is the exact reason why I get paid for my job :)

fit2rule 8y ago
You did a great job of inspiring me to understand something I have, literally, not even the foggiest iota of a clue about. I finished your article in awe at the human species.
- IrishJourno 8y ago
  Then I consider that a job very well done :) We can do some pretty neat stuff as a species when we want to...
nonbel 8y ago
>"After 3.9 billion years of hurtling unhindered through the vast reaches of the universe, a ghostly neutrino particle died on 22 September 2017. It was annihilated when it collided with an atom in the frozen darkness two kilometers beneath the surface of the south polar ice cap." Your article says the neutrino came from far away, which disagrees with that post that says it was probably "photonuclear with local photons".
- cozzyd 8y ago
  That's exactly why the author gets paid. By local I meant near the source, not near us.
  - nonbel 8y ago
    Not saying you are wrong about the terminology, but if local photons are "produced at the source", the use of "local" seems to be redundant. When would a photon not be created at the source? What is a non-local photon, only CMB photons?
    - raziel2701 8y ago
      If you're in a field in a windy day you cannot tell where the wind is originating from. If you're in a room with a fan turned on, you can tell where the wind is being sourced. The source of the wind has been localized in this latter scenario, whereas in the first you can detect the wind but you can't tell what the source of the wind is. That's the gist of the local versus non-local neutrinos being detected.
      - nonbel 8y ago
        So if I know the source but you don't, its local to me but non-local to you?
    - cozzyd 8y ago
      I am probably being confusing because there are distinct photons involved here... the ones that protons interact with to make neutrinos, and the gamma rays (which are of course, just high-energy photons) detected by FERMI or MAGIC. ' The neutrinos are produced in the process: proton + photon -> (usually) Delta_1232 (basically an excited proton, which is very unstable so that's why you may not have heard of it)-> neutron + pion -> proton + neutrinos, provided there is enough energy available to make pions. The same process also makes gammas (from a neutral pion instead of a charged pion), but there are also lots of other processes that produce gammas (which again, are just high-energy photons). The protons are accelerated at the source. The photons that the protons interact with to make neutrinos may either be local to the source (i.e. in the same galaxy, such that the neutrino is produced within the galaxy) or the proton could propagate some distance, bending in the intergalactic magnetic field and, if it's energetic enough, interact with a CMB photon (which are very low energy but everywhere in the universe, courtesy of the big bang). The former are likely the astrophysical neutrinos, while the latter are by definition the GZK neutrinos. The astrophysical neutrinos are at lower energy because inside galaxies, photons with higher energy than the CMB photons are available, allowing pion production at lower energies.
munificent 8y ago
You did great. Precise, informative, and evocative. Really fun to read.
- IrishJourno 8y ago
  Thanks!
bacon_waffle 8y ago
Great article, thanks! OT: I keep meaning to join IEEE - do you get any commission or perks for referrals?
- IrishJourno 8y ago
  I don't get any commission or perks, but I would honestly still encourage you to join the IEEE: It takes its mission of "foster[ing] technological innovation and excellence for the benefit of humanity" quite seriously, plus you get a copy of IEEE Spectrum every month, filled with cool articles from me and my colleagues -- if there's a deliberately moving electron associated with a topic somewhere, we're likely to cover it. :)