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If Guido wasn't himself while writing the PEP572, I ask for a new vote about the PEP572. I vote against it, the PEP572 should not be implemented. To me, it see
by antpls 8y ago
If Guido wasn't himself while writing the PEP572, I ask for a new vote about the PEP572. I vote against it, the PEP572 should not be implemented.
To me, it seems a restricted variant on the specific cases "if" and "while" would be good enough, without generalizing to more cases.
The exemples of assignment with "all()" and "any()" make me sad. Python had only one way of doing things, now it has two.
Reading Python code will be more complicated now than it was 10 years ago for newcomers
Edit : I'm sick of all the downvotes on HN. Everytime we post an opinion against the consensus, it ruins the karma, even if the comment is honest. And of course, I can't downvote people, since people keep downvoting me, I never reach the threshold to vote against any comment. The system is unfair to newcomers.
- protomyth 8y ago> If Guido wasn't himself while writing the PEP572, I ask for a new vote about the PEP572. I vote against it, the PEP572 should not be implemented. There is really nothing in the e-mail that indicates that. I can only imagine the message it would send to recall the PEP. I guess it would confirm his decision in a most callous way.
- antpls 8y agoSome people on Internet are reconsidering a second vote for the Brexit, while that PEP didn't even have a vote at all, given it was a dictatorship so far. Guido wrote the principles of Python, the principles should outlive his reign. :-)
- protomyth 8y ago> Some people on Internet are reconsidering a second vote for the Brexit That really isn't a fair comparison. This is about one person, not two opposing groups.
- antpls 8y agoWhat I meant is, even if democracy isn't perfect (see the Brexit case), a form of democracy maybe a better system in some situation than the dictatorship of one person.
- daxorid 8y ago> Everytime we post an opinion against the consensus Downvoting was, long ago, supposed to be used to indicate trolling, incivility, not substantive, etc. Sometime recently, dang and sctb have ruled that downvoting for disagreement is now perfectly acceptable. In any event, I agree it's become a terrible method of hivemind enforcement. Have an upvote.
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- antpls 8y agoThat is what I thought too. I read HN since so many years. Perfect example of a rating system turning into a bad censorship.
- tomhoward 8y agopg asserted that downvoting is fine to be used for disagreement in Feb 2008, when HN was less than a year old: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171