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This complaint always strikes me as trolling of the highest order. As though a 2018 laptop should definitely be designed to accommodate software structured for

This complaint always strikes me as trolling of the highest order. As though a 2018 laptop should definitely be designed to accommodate software structured for the limitations of 1970. In 2050, when the world has moved to direct neural interfaces, vi trolls on HN will still be saying "but my escape key!" I've never failed to hit the software escape key on my 15. Not one time since the past rev was released. What is that, six months? Not once in six months. I just put my finger in exactly the same place as I would on any other keyboard and it always works.

publicfig 8y ago
I really think that dismissing this complaint as "trolling" is odd. The escape key is used in a lot of applications, not just vim. It's used to cancel out of actions, it's used to often dismiss modals, it's used across a lot of software for a lot of purposes. And I'm personally someone that misses the key often enough that I wish it was still there. And the escape button on the touchbar is actually not at the same place as it is on other keyboards, which makes me think you've maybe not used one of these new touchbars and are arguing just for the sake of it.
- BugsJustFindMe 8y ago
  > And the escape button on the touchbar is actually not at the same place as it is on other keyboards, which makes me think you've maybe not used one of these new touchbars Nonzero finger width easily makes up for the difference. You don't have to hit the center of it to register a touch. In fact you don't actually need to touch it at all. Edit: Video proof https://streamable.com/ao18b https://streamable.com/ao18b > which makes me think you've maybe not used one of these new touchbars You were saying?
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ybrah 8y ago
Anyone who uses a keyboard to navigate their computer (most software professionals worth their salt) hit the escape key often enough to warrant it as a complaint. Try not using your mouse for your computer
- evgen 8y ago
  Anyone who uses a keyboard to navigate their computer and has not already re-mapped their keyboard to put esc into a more RSI-friendly location is going to be paying for this choice in a decade or so...
  - froindt 8y ago
    Unfortunately in a locked down computer environment, remapping isn't always an option.
  - ybrah 8y ago
    I use an ergodox with escape mapped to a very easily accessible location. On my laptop keyboard, I have caps lock mapped to escape.
nordsieck 8y ago
> As though a 2018 laptop should definitely be designed to accommodate software structured for the limitations of 1970. Hardware should be designed to accommodate the software that is actually being run on it, regardless of when it was first written.
hotdog97 8y ago
Do you per chance look/glance at the keyboard while you type? That's the only way your comment makes sense.

publicfig 8y ago

I really think that dismissing this complaint as "trolling" is odd. The escape key is used in a lot of applications, not just vim. It's used to cancel out of actions, it's used to often dismiss modals, it's used across a lot of software for a lot of purposes. And I'm personally someone that misses the key often enough that I wish it was still there. And the escape button on the touchbar is actually not at the same place as it is on other keyboards, which makes me think you've maybe not used one of these new touchbars and are arguing just for the sake of it.

BugsJustFindMe 8y ago
> And the escape button on the touchbar is actually not at the same place as it is on other keyboards, which makes me think you've maybe not used one of these new touchbars Nonzero finger width easily makes up for the difference. You don't have to hit the center of it to register a touch. In fact you don't actually need to touch it at all. Edit: Video proof https://streamable.com/ao18b https://streamable.com/ao18b > which makes me think you've maybe not used one of these new touchbars You were saying?
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ybrah 8y ago

Anyone who uses a keyboard to navigate their computer (most software professionals worth their salt) hit the escape key often enough to warrant it as a complaint. Try not using your mouse for your computer

evgen 8y ago
Anyone who uses a keyboard to navigate their computer and has not already re-mapped their keyboard to put esc into a more RSI-friendly location is going to be paying for this choice in a decade or so...
- froindt 8y ago
  Unfortunately in a locked down computer environment, remapping isn't always an option.
- ybrah 8y ago
  I use an ergodox with escape mapped to a very easily accessible location. On my laptop keyboard, I have caps lock mapped to escape.

nordsieck 8y ago

> As though a 2018 laptop should definitely be designed to accommodate software structured for the limitations of 1970. Hardware should be designed to accommodate the software that is actually being run on it, regardless of when it was first written.

hotdog97 8y ago

Do you per chance look/glance at the keyboard while you type? That's the only way your comment makes sense.