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If only they might restore the escape key in the 15 inch model...
by eej71 8y ago
If only they might restore the escape key in the 15 inch model...
- mFixman 8y agoI just remap Caps Lock to the escape key.
- cimmanom 8y agoBut then you can't use it for Ctrl!
- dguo 8y agoYou can set it up so that tapping caps lock is interpreted as escape, while holding it is interpreted as control. It's one of the first things I do whenever I get a new machine.
- torstenvl 8y agoYou can map CapsLock to Ctrl, and Ctrl to Escape. Then it's a simple right-to-left to bring up the Force Quit dialog.
- barrowclift 8y agoI highly encourage mapping the Escape key to the Caps Lock key for a couple days and seeing how it feels. I gave it a spin last year out of curiosity and have since fallen in love with it. My poor pinky no longer has to frequently stretch out to the farthest upper left reaches of the keyboard! If you're on macOS, you can do this in System Preferences > Keyboard > Modifier Keys... and selecting the "Escape" in the Caps Lock dropdown.
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- jasonlotito 8y agoI've been using Caps Lock for CTRL for years now. Instead of Caps Lock for Escape, in Vim, I use jj and that has served me well. I mention this because there are others out there that have already remapped Caps Lock, and mapping to escape might not work well for them.
- arnarbi 8y agoI tried all the above suggestions for extended periods of time. Ultimately the most productive thing for me was caps lock as control, and Ctrl-[ for escape since it works everywhere in the system.
- jasonlotito 8y agoCtrl-[ is interesting. Haven't seen that one before. Like most people, I'm used to the keys now, and muscle memory drives all. =)
- originalbryan2 8y agoThis guy ️for president. Took me several weeks to adjust. One of the best computing changes I've ever made.
- eej71 8y agoThanks... unfortunately I've already co-opted the caps lock key to be the control key... a common thing for emacs users to do. Now I need to find another home for esc. shakes fist at sky
- manulp 8y agoUsing karabiner-elements, https://pqrs.org/osx/karabiner/ https://pqrs.org/osx/karabiner/, you can map caps to behave a esc when pressed alone, and as ctrl when pressed with another key.
- boobsbr 8y agoSeriously, how do you exit vim insert mode without an ESC key?
- jek0 8y agoinoremap jk <esc>
- kps 8y agoEdsger Dijkstra disapproves.
- grzm 8y agohttps://vi.stackexchange.com/questions/300/other-ways-to-exit-insert-mode-besides-escape https://vi.stackexchange.com/questions/300/other-ways-to-exi...
- eej71 8y agoThe situation with emacs isn't much better!
- mschaef 8y agoWhy do you say that? I've used emacs for years and use the escape key very infrequently. (Although I do swap control and caps lock, and have for years.)
- Steltek 8y agoAt a guess, it's the layout of Ctrl and Alt on Mac keyboards. They're small and crammed right next to each other. It's physically painful to use Mac keyboards for Linux-y tasks and I don't understand people's love of them.
- madeofpalk 8y agoThe Touch Bar has a soft escape key in the same position. It takes a bit to get used to, but I found it find as a non-frequent vim/ESC-key user.
- lemoncucumber 8y agoAround when they introduced the first touchbar models, they finally made it so you can remap caps lock to escape which I'd been wanting for years. So at least there's that option.
- BugsJustFindMe 8y agoThis complaint always strikes me as trolling of the highest order. As though a 2018 laptop should definitely be designed to accommodate software structured for the limitations of 1970. In 2050, when the world has moved to direct neural interfaces, vi trolls on HN will still be saying "but my escape key!" I've never failed to hit the software escape key on my 15. Not one time since the past rev was released. What is that, six months? Not once in six months. I just put my finger in exactly the same place as I would on any other keyboard and it always works.
- publicfig 8y agoI really think that dismissing this complaint as "trolling" is odd. The escape key is used in a lot of applications, not just vim. It's used to cancel out of actions, it's used to often dismiss modals, it's used across a lot of software for a lot of purposes. And I'm personally someone that misses the key often enough that I wish it was still there. And the escape button on the touchbar is actually not at the same place as it is on other keyboards, which makes me think you've maybe not used one of these new touchbars and are arguing just for the sake of it.
- BugsJustFindMe 8y ago> And the escape button on the touchbar is actually not at the same place as it is on other keyboards, which makes me think you've maybe not used one of these new touchbars Nonzero finger width easily makes up for the difference. You don't have to hit the center of it to register a touch. In fact you don't actually need to touch it at all. Edit: Video proof https://streamable.com/ao18b https://streamable.com/ao18b > which makes me think you've maybe not used one of these new touchbars You were saying?
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- ybrah 8y agoAnyone who uses a keyboard to navigate their computer (most software professionals worth their salt) hit the escape key often enough to warrant it as a complaint. Try not using your mouse for your computer
- mschaef 8y agoSeems like a nice differentiator for the 'Pro' models might be to give them both the physical F/escape-keys _and_ the touchbar in an additional row.
- masklinn 8y agoThat's what I always thought. The touch bar could be an interesting/useful addition to f-keys, but it's god-awful at being f-keys.
- mschaef 8y agoI just switched to a new Touchbar machine, and am adapting to the fact that I had several of my most common shortcuts bound to F-keys. At this point, I'm seriously considering trying to add better touchbar support to Emacs to work around this.
- Eric_WVGG 8y agoYou should. Better Touch Tool is great, it was a must-have even before the Touch Bar came along.