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I agree with you and its annoying when people say you sound like a corporate shill. I don't think it should be federal level government doing net neutrality. I

I agree with you and its annoying when people say you sound like a corporate shill. I don't think it should be federal level government doing net neutrality. I worry about these studies too, because I know my "unique comment" was surrounded by at least a hundred on either side opining the same pro-net neutrality text.

gameswithgo 8y ago
The reason we think you are corporate shills is because you position makes no sense. ISPs have regional monopolies in a huge % of cases, and the consumer has no chance for free markets to work their magic and get red of bad internet practices that way. Do you not understand that? Or not care? We don't get it. explain.
- benlorenzetti 8y ago
  My comments: https://www.fcc.gov/ecfs/filing/10522187689085 https://www.fcc.gov/ecfs/filing/10522187689085
  - wtallis 8y ago
    Your comment shows you seem to have bullshit beliefs about QoS that are a complete red herring to any net neutrality discussion.
    - benlorenzetti 8y ago
      Care to elaborate? My understanding is ISPs can internally implement or not implement any QoS that makes economic sense. Also that was my lesser point. Can you address my larger point about jurisdiction for regulating ISPs?
      - wtallis 8y ago
        The burden is on you to show how QoS concerns are relevant to net neutrality regulation, such as by pointing out how the net neutrality regulations could possibly have impaired an ISP's ability to handle QoS. Otherwise, pointing out that there exist different kinds of traffic on the internet with different bandwidth and latency requirements has no relevance to the regulations that were under consideration. You shouldn't imply that there's any technical motivation for being anti-net neutrality unless you're prepared to back that up with a real explanation. I'm not going to respond to the part where you don't believe that the federal government has the power to regulate interstate commerce in non-physical goods, because that's so far into crackpot territory that nobody on either side of the net neutrality issue cares about your stance on that issue. It's hard to take you seriously when you're so against net neutrality that you also advocate for getting rid of federal wire fraud statutes.
        benlorenzetti 8y ago
        The Feds can regulate wire fraud--that is definitely commerce. Sorry you are very bent on misrepresenting me.
        wtallis 8y ago
        > The Feds can regulate wire fraud--that is definitely commerce. Sorry you are very bent on misrepresenting me. And yet, you wrote: > I don't see how light crossing state borders is construed as commerce. You're not convincing anyone when you pretend to be unable to understand how paying someone to carry information across state lines on your behalf is commerce.
        benlorenzetti 8y ago
        I'm talking about the 1st amendment and the commerce clause, together and where they conflict. Sorry if I went a little abstract in a different series of comments.
        wtallis 8y ago
- thx4allthestuff 8y ago
  I’m going to tread lightly here because I’m not intimately familiar with the full details of NN, but assuming that big bad ISP starts making life difficult for large tech companies by charging them premiums (and please correct me if this isn’t the way it works), wouldn’t that spur the giants to compete?
  - thx4allthestuff 8y ago
    Or perhaps a more realistic scenario, when ISP customers aren’t able to access their paid services reliably and start dropping off en mass because they refuse to be held under the gun, how would the “big guns” react? edit: spelled “held” as “elf”... autocorrect
  - wtallis 8y ago
    > wouldn’t that spur the giants to compete? It does give Google incentive to try creating Google Fiber. But the incumbent ISPs already have existing infrastructure deployed that constitutes a natural monopoly. The free market is not enough to overcome the uphill battle any initiative like Google Fiber faces, and digging multiple trenches along every residential road and driveway is not the kind of competition anyone wants.
s73v3r_ 8y ago
" I don't think it should be federal level government doing net neutrality." Why should your right to information change because you moved 5 miles in one direction?

gameswithgo 8y ago

The reason we think you are corporate shills is because you position makes no sense. ISPs have regional monopolies in a huge % of cases, and the consumer has no chance for free markets to work their magic and get red of bad internet practices that way. Do you not understand that? Or not care? We don't get it. explain.

benlorenzetti 8y ago
My comments: https://www.fcc.gov/ecfs/filing/10522187689085 https://www.fcc.gov/ecfs/filing/10522187689085
- wtallis 8y ago
  Your comment shows you seem to have bullshit beliefs about QoS that are a complete red herring to any net neutrality discussion.
  - benlorenzetti 8y ago
    Care to elaborate? My understanding is ISPs can internally implement or not implement any QoS that makes economic sense. Also that was my lesser point. Can you address my larger point about jurisdiction for regulating ISPs?
    - wtallis 8y ago
      The burden is on you to show how QoS concerns are relevant to net neutrality regulation, such as by pointing out how the net neutrality regulations could possibly have impaired an ISP's ability to handle QoS. Otherwise, pointing out that there exist different kinds of traffic on the internet with different bandwidth and latency requirements has no relevance to the regulations that were under consideration. You shouldn't imply that there's any technical motivation for being anti-net neutrality unless you're prepared to back that up with a real explanation. I'm not going to respond to the part where you don't believe that the federal government has the power to regulate interstate commerce in non-physical goods, because that's so far into crackpot territory that nobody on either side of the net neutrality issue cares about your stance on that issue. It's hard to take you seriously when you're so against net neutrality that you also advocate for getting rid of federal wire fraud statutes.
      - benlorenzetti 8y ago
        The Feds can regulate wire fraud--that is definitely commerce. Sorry you are very bent on misrepresenting me.
        wtallis 8y ago
        > The Feds can regulate wire fraud--that is definitely commerce. Sorry you are very bent on misrepresenting me. And yet, you wrote: > I don't see how light crossing state borders is construed as commerce. You're not convincing anyone when you pretend to be unable to understand how paying someone to carry information across state lines on your behalf is commerce.
        benlorenzetti 8y ago
        I'm talking about the 1st amendment and the commerce clause, together and where they conflict. Sorry if I went a little abstract in a different series of comments.
        wtallis 8y ago
thx4allthestuff 8y ago
I’m going to tread lightly here because I’m not intimately familiar with the full details of NN, but assuming that big bad ISP starts making life difficult for large tech companies by charging them premiums (and please correct me if this isn’t the way it works), wouldn’t that spur the giants to compete?
- thx4allthestuff 8y ago
  Or perhaps a more realistic scenario, when ISP customers aren’t able to access their paid services reliably and start dropping off en mass because they refuse to be held under the gun, how would the “big guns” react? edit: spelled “held” as “elf”... autocorrect
- wtallis 8y ago
  > wouldn’t that spur the giants to compete? It does give Google incentive to try creating Google Fiber. But the incumbent ISPs already have existing infrastructure deployed that constitutes a natural monopoly. The free market is not enough to overcome the uphill battle any initiative like Google Fiber faces, and digging multiple trenches along every residential road and driveway is not the kind of competition anyone wants.

s73v3r_ 8y ago

" I don't think it should be federal level government doing net neutrality." Why should your right to information change because you moved 5 miles in one direction?