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Apple planning 11″ iPad Pro, Mac mini, 1.57″ and 1.78″ Apple Watch, AirPower

44 points by uptown 8y ago

timwis 8y ago
I've been waiting to get a new MacBook until they fix the keyboard issue. Any word on that with these newer models? Or are they doubling down...
- some_account 8y ago
  Seems like just new processors for the macbook "pro" . The iPad pro 11 inch could be interesting though. It doesn't have a keyboard so Apple shouldn't be able to mess it up.
  - tqkxzugoaupvwqr 8y ago
    I use an iPad Pro 12.9" with Apple’s Smart Keyboard. While the keys are okay (as opposed to the problem with the laptop keys), Apple decided to not provide a Forward Delete key or key combination. (Forward Delete deletes the character to the right of the cursor.) This makes text editing quite cumbersome.
    - X-Istence 8y ago
      Does Ctrl + D not do what you want? Or do they not provide a control key on the keyboard?
      - tqkxzugoaupvwqr 8y ago
        Ctrl + D does nothing.
        X-Istence 8y ago
        Shame, that does what you desire on MacOS. Just like Ctr + K will clear till the end of the line from the cursor forward.
- fetus8 8y ago
  I would have to think, perhaps optimistically, that with all the issues with the recent MBPs that Apple would fix/upgrade the keyboards in the next series of MBPs. The rumors posted today strictly talk about chipset updates, but I'm holding out hope they fix the keyboards even if the form-factor of the device remains the same...
- joshstrange 8y ago
  I think we are currently in a "first" for Apple in where they announced an extended warranty for their 2016+ laptops WITHOUT having viable alternative for sale. I really hope this means we get some upgrade to the keyboard. I've got a 2014 and I really want to upgrade to a 15" with dedicated graphics but if they don't fix the keyboard my "upgrade" will be to a 2015 model. There were some reports that Apple is using a new alloy when they replace in those stupid butterfly switches them that has less issues but it hasn't been confirmed AFAIK.
  - y_molodtsov 8y ago
    iFixit confirmed that 2016 and 2017 butterfly keyboards are just a little different. They’re replacing with 2017 now and there’s no any data on their actual failure rate except for the fears on Twitter.
    - kondro 8y ago
      Every MacBook I’ve bought for our business (and every MB any of my friends has owned) since 2016 (including the 2017 models) continues to have regular keyboard problems leading to repair. It’s only a sample size of a couple dozen, but 100% of them have had keyboard problems within 6 months.
rvanmil 8y ago
If the keyboard hasn't changed significantly I'll stick to my 2015 MBP for yet another year.
- leesalminen 8y ago
  I’m holding onto my ‘14 model for dear life.
  - anon1253 8y ago
    Same here, I tried replacing it with a 2018 Lenovo Carbon X1 with the intent of running Linux but that ended in tears. I just really wish they had continued this line of laptops ... or at the very least kept the keyboard in their newer models :/
  - eropple 8y ago
    Same. My '14 keyboard broke (it done got watered) and I wasn't going to pay $1500 for a repair, so I bought a replacement top case. And an entirely new laptop that runs Fedora with the remainder, to prolong the MBP's life for when I actually need OS X.
- y_molodtsov 8y ago
  What is the problem with keyboard especiially after the extended warranty program?
  - rhinoceraptor 8y ago
    The typing experience is terrible, the touchbar is terrible and removes essential keys for many users (I press escape thousands of times a day), and it is unreliable. Sure, if your keyboard jams, you can get it replaced for free. But you're still without your $2000 laptop for a week while it gets replaced, and it's only good for four years. Plenty of people (my Mac is a 2012 15" retina MBP) are still using laptops that old or older.
misterhtmlcss 8y ago
Won't upgrade a single Apple product in my house until we get a resolution on MacBook Air. We are already evaluating leaving Apple products due to their complacency and won't be upgrading until we see movement on pricing and product development regarding the MacBooks. It's a sad state of affairs when you are waiting 3 years to update and you can't because your vendor of choice refuses to update your product category. Hopefully they sort things out before we commit to a switch in early 2019. We aren't the only ones either we've had friends leave already and some are either waiting on us to blaze a path forward or are already planning to leave the platform. I think Apple needs to seriously consider the long-term impact to their business of losing their major platform advocates; from artists, to developers, to technology savvy people that have a dramatic affect on the spending habits of others. Myself alone have easily and directly impacted about $50k worth of consumer spending, not a lot I know, but I'm also confident I'm not alone and this is a trend that is going the wrong direction. Just thought I'd share where I'm at and those in my circle. Also of you are imminently switching or have switched I'd love to know what you switched too and why.
- have_faith 8y ago
  MBP price and some hardware issues are causing me to look for alternatives (dodgy keyboards, no non touch bar 15" that isn't gimped). I've been needing to upgrade for at least a year but I don't want to pay £2000 for a keyboard I hate and a touchbar I never want to use. The possibility of using Windows has kept me from switching so far but I can put up with it for a user replaceable battery and a decent keyboard I think.
- old-gregg 8y ago
  what are you complaining about? the "retina macbook air" is simply called "macbook" now. it's the same great PPI display as everywhere else. the CPUs haven't changed much in 3 years. battery life is the same. why so much drama? what do you want? if anything, apple has gone completely mainstream. you can get all of your computing done in gold now. in GOLD!
  - close04 8y ago
    I think most people just want to have a good reason to buy a new Apple device and retire the old ones. I know I am. But personally I'm having a hard time finding one. My 2012 MBP is chugging along just fine albeit showing its age sometimes, also my iPad Air2, or the 2013 iMac. I'm aware that some things have improved but you don't buy a CPU, or a screen, you buy a package. And for every improvement Apple also bundled in some sort of failure. Some in usability, some in reliability, and the overall value proposition is going down.
Apocryphon 8y ago
Remember for a couple of years in the early to mid-'00s when there was a Cambrian explosion in iPod models? iPod with Photo, iPod with Video, iPod with color displays, Minis and Nanos with radically different hardware form factors with each iteration. Upon revisiting, it appears that the photo-color-video iPods were all variations of the original, and released in successive years, but it still felt like a dizzying array of different device types, at least to me at the time. It feels like all the emerging new form factors are doing the same to iPhones and iPads, to some extent. Both the iPhone SE and 5C feel like one-offs, evolutionary dead ends. The inconsistency in size between the first and second gen smaller iPad Pro's. The product lines, when looking at the changes from year to year, feel like a jumble. Not as much of a mess as from other companies, of course, but still a little reminiscent of the iPod years. Doubt it will affect the quality of the products or the bottom line, but still messier than it used to be.
- StarTedAtTheBtm 8y ago
  Ipod with chicks, ipod with dicks, what more could we ask for back then. ^
  - StarTedAtTheBtm 8y ago
    Glad to see the downvotes, it means that people are reading it.
    - egwynn 8y ago
      It’s been flagged so I can’t read it. EDIT: Context for newcomers: I was responding to the parent comment's about how the downvotes on the GP meant that people were reading it.
    - Apocryphon 8y ago
      I didn't see the original comment, sadly, can you rephrase it in a way that won't get flagged?
      - 8y ago
Jyaif 8y ago
My prediction: the mac mini will be smaller. Gruber has been preparing the fanboys for that ( https://daringfireball.net/linked/2018/06/14/snellintosh https://daringfireball.net/linked/2018/06/14/snellintosh )
- y_molodtsov 8y ago
  Mac mini in a body of AppleTV would be really fun.
ddp 8y ago
I helped build Apple 1's. I had a Lisa. I've owned nearly every generation of PowerBook and MacBook and I've had enough. I bought a loaded Surface Pro tablet last summer and I ordered a new 15" Surface Book 2 w/ Nvidia GTX 1060 to replace my MacBook Pro. Not the new one with TouchBar, that one was so bad I sold it back to Apple for a substantial loss. It was a good run.
- berberous 8y ago
  What's wrong with APFS?
  - ddp 8y ago
    Well, when it shipped it didn't support Fusion Drives, which were the default when High Sierra shipped. Time Machine backups fell over and quit working (somewhat different issue, agreed) and before I got them working again, FileVault 2 ate both of the disks on both of my MacBook Pros causing me substantial data loss. I also had two macOS Servers running on mac minis and they announced that they're discontinuing it, leaving Apple with no server offering. I also removed the discontinued Apple Airports from my network. I plan to stay on iOS and Watch for now, though I only use my iPad Pro for music synthesizers and basic chat/browsing. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm being absolutely harrassed typing in my iCloud password on all my i-devices. In contrast, I think I've typed my Microsoft password less than 10 times in the last year.
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Simulacra 8y ago
My household has left Apple after 20 years, because of the inability to upgrade the MacBooks, and just an oversimplification of everything. I dearly wish I had an upgraded cheese grater. After three Mac minis died, we called it quits on those too. Cost, reliability, and expansion have pushed us towards PCs.

44 points by uptown 8y ago

I've been waiting to get a new MacBook until they fix the keyboard issue. Any word on that with these newer models? Or are they doubling down...

some_account 8y ago
Seems like just new processors for the macbook "pro" . The iPad pro 11 inch could be interesting though. It doesn't have a keyboard so Apple shouldn't be able to mess it up.
- tqkxzugoaupvwqr 8y ago
  I use an iPad Pro 12.9" with Apple’s Smart Keyboard. While the keys are okay (as opposed to the problem with the laptop keys), Apple decided to not provide a Forward Delete key or key combination. (Forward Delete deletes the character to the right of the cursor.) This makes text editing quite cumbersome.
  - X-Istence 8y ago
    Does Ctrl + D not do what you want? Or do they not provide a control key on the keyboard?
    - tqkxzugoaupvwqr 8y ago
      Ctrl + D does nothing.
      - X-Istence 8y ago
        Shame, that does what you desire on MacOS. Just like Ctr + K will clear till the end of the line from the cursor forward.
fetus8 8y ago
I would have to think, perhaps optimistically, that with all the issues with the recent MBPs that Apple would fix/upgrade the keyboards in the next series of MBPs. The rumors posted today strictly talk about chipset updates, but I'm holding out hope they fix the keyboards even if the form-factor of the device remains the same...
joshstrange 8y ago
I think we are currently in a "first" for Apple in where they announced an extended warranty for their 2016+ laptops WITHOUT having viable alternative for sale. I really hope this means we get some upgrade to the keyboard. I've got a 2014 and I really want to upgrade to a 15" with dedicated graphics but if they don't fix the keyboard my "upgrade" will be to a 2015 model. There were some reports that Apple is using a new alloy when they replace in those stupid butterfly switches them that has less issues but it hasn't been confirmed AFAIK.
- y_molodtsov 8y ago
  iFixit confirmed that 2016 and 2017 butterfly keyboards are just a little different. They’re replacing with 2017 now and there’s no any data on their actual failure rate except for the fears on Twitter.
  - kondro 8y ago
    Every MacBook I’ve bought for our business (and every MB any of my friends has owned) since 2016 (including the 2017 models) continues to have regular keyboard problems leading to repair. It’s only a sample size of a couple dozen, but 100% of them have had keyboard problems within 6 months.

rvanmil 8y ago

If the keyboard hasn't changed significantly I'll stick to my 2015 MBP for yet another year.

leesalminen 8y ago
I’m holding onto my ‘14 model for dear life.
- anon1253 8y ago
  Same here, I tried replacing it with a 2018 Lenovo Carbon X1 with the intent of running Linux but that ended in tears. I just really wish they had continued this line of laptops ... or at the very least kept the keyboard in their newer models :/
- eropple 8y ago
  Same. My '14 keyboard broke (it done got watered) and I wasn't going to pay $1500 for a repair, so I bought a replacement top case. And an entirely new laptop that runs Fedora with the remainder, to prolong the MBP's life for when I actually need OS X.
y_molodtsov 8y ago
What is the problem with keyboard especiially after the extended warranty program?
- rhinoceraptor 8y ago
  The typing experience is terrible, the touchbar is terrible and removes essential keys for many users (I press escape thousands of times a day), and it is unreliable. Sure, if your keyboard jams, you can get it replaced for free. But you're still without your $2000 laptop for a week while it gets replaced, and it's only good for four years. Plenty of people (my Mac is a 2012 15" retina MBP) are still using laptops that old or older.

misterhtmlcss 8y ago

Won't upgrade a single Apple product in my house until we get a resolution on MacBook Air. We are already evaluating leaving Apple products due to their complacency and won't be upgrading until we see movement on pricing and product development regarding the MacBooks. It's a sad state of affairs when you are waiting 3 years to update and you can't because your vendor of choice refuses to update your product category. Hopefully they sort things out before we commit to a switch in early 2019. We aren't the only ones either we've had friends leave already and some are either waiting on us to blaze a path forward or are already planning to leave the platform. I think Apple needs to seriously consider the long-term impact to their business of losing their major platform advocates; from artists, to developers, to technology savvy people that have a dramatic affect on the spending habits of others. Myself alone have easily and directly impacted about $50k worth of consumer spending, not a lot I know, but I'm also confident I'm not alone and this is a trend that is going the wrong direction. Just thought I'd share where I'm at and those in my circle. Also of you are imminently switching or have switched I'd love to know what you switched too and why.

have_faith 8y ago
MBP price and some hardware issues are causing me to look for alternatives (dodgy keyboards, no non touch bar 15" that isn't gimped). I've been needing to upgrade for at least a year but I don't want to pay £2000 for a keyboard I hate and a touchbar I never want to use. The possibility of using Windows has kept me from switching so far but I can put up with it for a user replaceable battery and a decent keyboard I think.
old-gregg 8y ago
what are you complaining about? the "retina macbook air" is simply called "macbook" now. it's the same great PPI display as everywhere else. the CPUs haven't changed much in 3 years. battery life is the same. why so much drama? what do you want? if anything, apple has gone completely mainstream. you can get all of your computing done in gold now. in GOLD!
- close04 8y ago
  I think most people just want to have a good reason to buy a new Apple device and retire the old ones. I know I am. But personally I'm having a hard time finding one. My 2012 MBP is chugging along just fine albeit showing its age sometimes, also my iPad Air2, or the 2013 iMac. I'm aware that some things have improved but you don't buy a CPU, or a screen, you buy a package. And for every improvement Apple also bundled in some sort of failure. Some in usability, some in reliability, and the overall value proposition is going down.

Apocryphon 8y ago

Remember for a couple of years in the early to mid-'00s when there was a Cambrian explosion in iPod models? iPod with Photo, iPod with Video, iPod with color displays, Minis and Nanos with radically different hardware form factors with each iteration. Upon revisiting, it appears that the photo-color-video iPods were all variations of the original, and released in successive years, but it still felt like a dizzying array of different device types, at least to me at the time. It feels like all the emerging new form factors are doing the same to iPhones and iPads, to some extent. Both the iPhone SE and 5C feel like one-offs, evolutionary dead ends. The inconsistency in size between the first and second gen smaller iPad Pro's. The product lines, when looking at the changes from year to year, feel like a jumble. Not as much of a mess as from other companies, of course, but still a little reminiscent of the iPod years. Doubt it will affect the quality of the products or the bottom line, but still messier than it used to be.

StarTedAtTheBtm 8y ago
Ipod with chicks, ipod with dicks, what more could we ask for back then. ^
- StarTedAtTheBtm 8y ago
  Glad to see the downvotes, it means that people are reading it.
  - egwynn 8y ago
    It’s been flagged so I can’t read it. EDIT: Context for newcomers: I was responding to the parent comment's about how the downvotes on the GP meant that people were reading it.
  - Apocryphon 8y ago
    I didn't see the original comment, sadly, can you rephrase it in a way that won't get flagged?
    - 8y ago

Jyaif 8y ago

My prediction: the mac mini will be smaller. Gruber has been preparing the fanboys for that ( https://daringfireball.net/linked/2018/06/14/snellintosh https://daringfireball.net/linked/2018/06/14/snellintosh )

y_molodtsov 8y ago
Mac mini in a body of AppleTV would be really fun.

ddp 8y ago

I helped build Apple 1's. I had a Lisa. I've owned nearly every generation of PowerBook and MacBook and I've had enough. I bought a loaded Surface Pro tablet last summer and I ordered a new 15" Surface Book 2 w/ Nvidia GTX 1060 to replace my MacBook Pro. Not the new one with TouchBar, that one was so bad I sold it back to Apple for a substantial loss. It was a good run.

berberous 8y ago
What's wrong with APFS?
- ddp 8y ago
  Well, when it shipped it didn't support Fusion Drives, which were the default when High Sierra shipped. Time Machine backups fell over and quit working (somewhat different issue, agreed) and before I got them working again, FileVault 2 ate both of the disks on both of my MacBook Pros causing me substantial data loss. I also had two macOS Servers running on mac minis and they announced that they're discontinuing it, leaving Apple with no server offering. I also removed the discontinued Apple Airports from my network. I plan to stay on iOS and Watch for now, though I only use my iPad Pro for music synthesizers and basic chat/browsing. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm being absolutely harrassed typing in my iCloud password on all my i-devices. In contrast, I think I've typed my Microsoft password less than 10 times in the last year.

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Simulacra 8y ago

My household has left Apple after 20 years, because of the inability to upgrade the MacBooks, and just an oversimplification of everything. I dearly wish I had an upgraded cheese grater. After three Mac minis died, we called it quits on those too. Cost, reliability, and expansion have pushed us towards PCs.