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The proper name for them is stated in the article's title.

by _13gp 8y ago

mistermann 8y ago
Aloha is a subset of Hawaii is it not? Similarly, these are a subset of shirt. Ideology seems to be increasingly creeping into conversations here (not pointed at you, just saying in general).
- _13gp 8y ago
  Hawaiian is an ethnicity. Hawaiian is used in specific contexts in Hawaii and using it to describe a specific type of shirt is not one of them. It has nothing to do with ideology and everything to do with accuracy and respect for a group of people.
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  - mistermann 8y ago
    > Hawaiian is an ethnicity. Indeed it is: Ethnicity: noun, plural eth·nic·i·ties. - an ethnic group; a social group that shares a common and distinctive culture, religion, language, or the like. - ethnic traits, background, allegiance, or association > Hawaiian is used in specific contexts in Hawaii and using it to describe a specific type of shirt is not one of them. Is it not unique (in origin) to Hawaiian culture? > It has nothing to do with ideology and everything to do with accuracy and respect for a group of people. That you think this has anything to do with "respect" is precisely the problem I'm talking about. It's a style of shirt. Even if I didn't like the style, how in god's name does one interpret this as "not respecting" Hawaiians as a group?
JoeAltmaier 8y ago
The Wikipedia article distinguishes between the local 'Aloha shirt' which is a dress shirt with muted floral design or native fabric pattern, and the exported 'Hawaiian shirt' which is informal wear with usually an extravagant floral design. So that makes a case for naming them differently.
- _13gp 8y ago
  I was born and raised in Hawaii. Not trying to come off rude but I don't need a Wikipedia article to tell me what something I grew up with actually is. Hawaiian shirt is a crude marketing term that's only used outside of the original audience of the item.
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  - JoeAltmaier 8y ago
    Exactly what I was talking about. You call them Aloha shirts. Folks NOT born and raised in Hawaii have another name for what they're seeing, exported thru WalMart etc. And its 'Hawaiian'. I'm an Iowan, and I don't need you to tell me what something I grew up with actually is. Not to come off as rude.
    - wnissen 8y ago
      Yes, and your version is a knockoff of a culturally significant item created in an independent country that was conquered militarily and handed over to be annexed for the benefit of a pineapple company. So maybe give those of the originating culture the benefit of the doubt. I'm not Hawaiian but it is a beautiful culture, especially the concept of aloha, and we could learn a thing or two from it.
      - Turing_Machine 8y ago
        > Yes, and your version is a knockoff of a culturally significant item The Hawaiian/Aloha shirt is a knockoff of a European design. >So maybe give those of the originating culture the benefit of the doubt. The originating culture was European. The Hawaiians "culturally appropriated" the European shirt design and made something new and awesome from it, so awesome that it then became popular outside the islands. That's how it works.
        SerLava 8y ago

The proper name for them is stated in the article's title.

by _13gp 8y ago

The proper name for them is stated in the article's title.

Aloha is a subset of Hawaii is it not? Similarly, these are a subset of shirt. Ideology seems to be increasingly creeping into conversations here (not pointed at you, just saying in general).

_13gp 8y ago
Hawaiian is an ethnicity. Hawaiian is used in specific contexts in Hawaii and using it to describe a specific type of shirt is not one of them. It has nothing to do with ideology and everything to do with accuracy and respect for a group of people.
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- mistermann 8y ago
  > Hawaiian is an ethnicity. Indeed it is: Ethnicity: noun, plural eth·nic·i·ties. - an ethnic group; a social group that shares a common and distinctive culture, religion, language, or the like. - ethnic traits, background, allegiance, or association > Hawaiian is used in specific contexts in Hawaii and using it to describe a specific type of shirt is not one of them. Is it not unique (in origin) to Hawaiian culture? > It has nothing to do with ideology and everything to do with accuracy and respect for a group of people. That you think this has anything to do with "respect" is precisely the problem I'm talking about. It's a style of shirt. Even if I didn't like the style, how in god's name does one interpret this as "not respecting" Hawaiians as a group?

JoeAltmaier 8y ago

The Wikipedia article distinguishes between the local 'Aloha shirt' which is a dress shirt with muted floral design or native fabric pattern, and the exported 'Hawaiian shirt' which is informal wear with usually an extravagant floral design. So that makes a case for naming them differently.

_13gp 8y ago
I was born and raised in Hawaii. Not trying to come off rude but I don't need a Wikipedia article to tell me what something I grew up with actually is. Hawaiian shirt is a crude marketing term that's only used outside of the original audience of the item.
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- JoeAltmaier 8y ago
  Exactly what I was talking about. You call them Aloha shirts. Folks NOT born and raised in Hawaii have another name for what they're seeing, exported thru WalMart etc. And its 'Hawaiian'. I'm an Iowan, and I don't need you to tell me what something I grew up with actually is. Not to come off as rude.
  - wnissen 8y ago
    Yes, and your version is a knockoff of a culturally significant item created in an independent country that was conquered militarily and handed over to be annexed for the benefit of a pineapple company. So maybe give those of the originating culture the benefit of the doubt. I'm not Hawaiian but it is a beautiful culture, especially the concept of aloha, and we could learn a thing or two from it.
    - Turing_Machine 8y ago
      > Yes, and your version is a knockoff of a culturally significant item The Hawaiian/Aloha shirt is a knockoff of a European design. >So maybe give those of the originating culture the benefit of the doubt. The originating culture was European. The Hawaiians "culturally appropriated" the European shirt design and made something new and awesome from it, so awesome that it then became popular outside the islands. That's how it works.
      - SerLava 8y ago