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I don't understand why Microsoft keeps having the mentality of killing their competitors, burying their competitors. It has become a "LET'S BUILD SOMETHING THA

I don't understand why Microsoft keeps having the mentality of killing their competitors, burying their competitors. It has become a "LET'S BUILD SOMETHING THAT WILL KILL THE <FILL IN THE BLANKS>" instead of "LET"S BUILD SOMETHING THEY WANT". And that's why Google and Apple are innovating and Microsoft is just playing catching up.

rbanffy 16y ago
> that's why Google and Apple are innovating and Microsoft is just playing catching up. Has it ever been different? Not Google and Apple, but Microsoft. Has it ever invented something? Even Microsoft's first successful product was a version of a language someone else developed many years before they existed.
- statictype 16y ago
  Google's first product was a version of a search engine, something that many people had developed multiple versions of years before it existed. Google's second most successful product was a web-based mail service, something that existed about 10 years before their version. Apple's most successful product existed a few decades before they entered the market.
  - rbanffy 16y ago
    Google can have credit for building the first search engine and the first webmail that were done right. Their real innovation is not in the end-user side, but under the hood. Just making it work required a couple leaps in understanding how thousands of servers have to be managed. And Apple pretty much invented the personal computer as we know it. Unless Woz is wrong, the Apple I had a very innovative feature: a keyboard.
    - ugh 16y ago
      The innovation game is a very boring game. People always redefine what exactly they mean by “innovate” just so they can blame some company for not innovating. It always works.
      - rbanffy 16y ago
        Indeed. But I maintain my statement, which has nothing to do with Apple and Google (something I made clear on my first message in this thread). Microsoft has very rarely, if ever, launched a product that created or redefined a category. They are always late movers, but, frequently, end up with the first successful product.
    - statictype 16y ago
      With Apple, I was actually referring to mobile phones.
      - rbanffy 16y ago
        I am not speaking of Apple or Google. My point is about Microsoft. Have they ever made something really innovative?
Lewisham 16y ago
Unfortunately, it's this mentality which makes it pretty painful to actually use the Microsoft products that are done well. I like my Xbox 360, a lot. Can I play videos on it from my Mac? Not without third-party hacked software! The WP7 looks pretty good too. I like the integration with my Xbox Live persona. I like that it's not locked down to AT&T. I like that Microsoft aren't looking like they're going to let carriers munge with it. Yet, I'm a Mac user that's fully bought into Google's online products. Will WP7 sync to my Mac? Nope. Chances it plays nicely with Google (or Microsoft even allow Google apps in the store)? Minimal. Likelihood I buy a WP7 just because of that bloody-mindedness? High.

rbanffy 16y ago

> that's why Google and Apple are innovating and Microsoft is just playing catching up. Has it ever been different? Not Google and Apple, but Microsoft. Has it ever invented something? Even Microsoft's first successful product was a version of a language someone else developed many years before they existed.

statictype 16y ago
Google's first product was a version of a search engine, something that many people had developed multiple versions of years before it existed. Google's second most successful product was a web-based mail service, something that existed about 10 years before their version. Apple's most successful product existed a few decades before they entered the market.
- rbanffy 16y ago
  Google can have credit for building the first search engine and the first webmail that were done right. Their real innovation is not in the end-user side, but under the hood. Just making it work required a couple leaps in understanding how thousands of servers have to be managed. And Apple pretty much invented the personal computer as we know it. Unless Woz is wrong, the Apple I had a very innovative feature: a keyboard.
  - ugh 16y ago
    The innovation game is a very boring game. People always redefine what exactly they mean by “innovate” just so they can blame some company for not innovating. It always works.
    - rbanffy 16y ago
      Indeed. But I maintain my statement, which has nothing to do with Apple and Google (something I made clear on my first message in this thread). Microsoft has very rarely, if ever, launched a product that created or redefined a category. They are always late movers, but, frequently, end up with the first successful product.
  - statictype 16y ago
    With Apple, I was actually referring to mobile phones.
    - rbanffy 16y ago
      I am not speaking of Apple or Google. My point is about Microsoft. Have they ever made something really innovative?

Lewisham 16y ago

Unfortunately, it's this mentality which makes it pretty painful to actually use the Microsoft products that are done well. I like my Xbox 360, a lot. Can I play videos on it from my Mac? Not without third-party hacked software! The WP7 looks pretty good too. I like the integration with my Xbox Live persona. I like that it's not locked down to AT&T. I like that Microsoft aren't looking like they're going to let carriers munge with it. Yet, I'm a Mac user that's fully bought into Google's online products. Will WP7 sync to my Mac? Nope. Chances it plays nicely with Google (or Microsoft even allow Google apps in the store)? Minimal. Likelihood I buy a WP7 just because of that bloody-mindedness? High.