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Can you read this article? I'm in Europe and run into a message saying "Unfortunately, our website is currently unavailable in most European countries. We are e

Can you read this article? I'm in Europe and run into a message saying "Unfortunately, our website is currently unavailable in most European countries. We are engaged on the issue and committed to looking at options that support our full range of digital offerings to the EU market. We continue to identify technical compliance solutions that will provide all readers with our award-winning journalism." with the LA times since the GDPA.

dijit 8y ago
I have the same message in Sweden, shame they can't find to operate business without abusing user data. Still there's an archive.is link listed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17506215 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17506215
- samsolomon 8y ago
  Would you pay for an LA Times subscription? Do you know anybody that would? The newspaper business is struggling as is. Every time a publication is blocked in Europe people complain. Ads were the answer for most online publications, but showing targeted ads now pose a legal risk. I don't know about their business ops, but I'd suspect they've done the math and decided it isn't worth the effort to change their platform so people can read for free in Europe.
  - Markoff 8y ago
    you know there are news websites based in Europe right?
    - ceejayoz 8y ago
      Sure, and they're a) subject to European regulators and b) have a largely European audience. The same is not true for the LA Times.
      - Markoff 8y ago
        and their economic model its vastly different from american?
  - Cthulhu_ 8y ago
    You don't need to be not-GDPR-compliant to display ads and do user tracking. Just inform the user and give them the option to opt out of tracking / storing data. Ads won't be as optimized for the user, but they'll still be there. And of course they can offer a subscription.
    - vonmoltke 8y ago
      > You don't need to be not-GDPR-compliant to display ads and do user tracking. You also don't need to be tracking anything to be non-compliant.
    - zeveb 8y ago
      Of course, offering a subscription means tracking users means being subject to the GDPR!
  - nottorp 8y ago
    Item one: I wouldn't subscribe to any old school newspaper from the anglo-saxon world because they make it extremely hard to unsubscribe. About the same respect for their readers as their targeted ads they can't give up on. Item two: I wouldn't subscribe to a newspaper just because i read articles linked from HN occasionally, so I'll just pass on LA times. Item three: whenever someone comes up with a working micropayment platform, I might throw them 2-3 cents if they get linked on HN. No more. Yes, I haven't read the original article. I won't even through the free links. They don't want me, they don't get me.
sametmax 8y ago
I use a vpn, but you can use a simple proxy. E.x: https://us.hidester.com/proxy.php?u=eJwBWACn%2F3M6ODA6IoYNRJPBBO8LlMr8EbraemMMbZ0xx54cw%2FcabwpzWX1AV4DtLuKWY5DvloA62GpiUyk7Zsq3GVJO82Yox6gpKNkBPoOOqXfFhE%2Bth4KgMbn3IjvH5ihi&b=7&f=norefer https://us.hidester.com/proxy.php?u=eJwBWACn%2F3M6ODA6IoYNRJ...
alexgray 8y ago
He might be using a VPN, I get the same message from the UK.
wolfgke 8y ago
> Can you read this article? Use Tor Browser.
Markoff 8y ago
i see this more frequently in recent days but only here on HN, i guess it's same media house as LA times because you end up on same domain
thg 8y ago
Here you go: https://outline.com/vKj7vM https://outline.com/vKj7vM Basically, whenever there's a website like this that annoys me, I just copy the URL and Outline it: outline.com/$url No clicking through annoying dialogs, or having to use a vpn.
- harias 8y ago
  Same here. It works for paywalls too! I wonder what their business model is though.
  - kazinator 8y ago
    Disrupt some shit and duck? :) If I were to guess; they will start inserting their own content into these filtered pages, after some time. Newly created ones will be nice and clean, but after some months perhaps, mysterious stuff will start creeping in when those URLs are viewed.
- owie829 8y ago
  which would appear to be a violation of their terms: If someone else might own the copyright to it, don't submit it. Outline is for reading pages that: * you own the rights to, * is in the public domain, * constitutes fair use, or * you have consent of the copyright holder.
  - kazinator 8y ago
    That's not terms of use; it's a feeble attempt to shift any legal issues onto the end user. It's unlikely to hold up in court; the servers of outline.com and their owners will likely be deemed as creating the unauthorized derived work. You cannot sue a hyperlink that's floating around in the wild; you cannot prove who created that link.
- drewmol 8y ago
  Thanks for this, pretty useful for when I'm not on my own device.
justsomedude43 8y ago
I just tend to move on when I see a message like that. If you rather block access to 400-500 million people than sort out your privacy policy and how you manage sensitive data, then so be it. Stay away from such websites!
HumanDrivenDev 8y ago
Just get a VPN like the Chinese posters use.

dijit 8y ago

I have the same message in Sweden, shame they can't find to operate business without abusing user data. Still there's an archive.is link listed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17506215 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17506215

samsolomon 8y ago
Would you pay for an LA Times subscription? Do you know anybody that would? The newspaper business is struggling as is. Every time a publication is blocked in Europe people complain. Ads were the answer for most online publications, but showing targeted ads now pose a legal risk. I don't know about their business ops, but I'd suspect they've done the math and decided it isn't worth the effort to change their platform so people can read for free in Europe.
- Markoff 8y ago
  you know there are news websites based in Europe right?
  - ceejayoz 8y ago
    Sure, and they're a) subject to European regulators and b) have a largely European audience. The same is not true for the LA Times.
    - Markoff 8y ago
      and their economic model its vastly different from american?
- Cthulhu_ 8y ago
  You don't need to be not-GDPR-compliant to display ads and do user tracking. Just inform the user and give them the option to opt out of tracking / storing data. Ads won't be as optimized for the user, but they'll still be there. And of course they can offer a subscription.
  - vonmoltke 8y ago
    > You don't need to be not-GDPR-compliant to display ads and do user tracking. You also don't need to be tracking anything to be non-compliant.
  - zeveb 8y ago
    Of course, offering a subscription means tracking users means being subject to the GDPR!
- nottorp 8y ago
  Item one: I wouldn't subscribe to any old school newspaper from the anglo-saxon world because they make it extremely hard to unsubscribe. About the same respect for their readers as their targeted ads they can't give up on. Item two: I wouldn't subscribe to a newspaper just because i read articles linked from HN occasionally, so I'll just pass on LA times. Item three: whenever someone comes up with a working micropayment platform, I might throw them 2-3 cents if they get linked on HN. No more. Yes, I haven't read the original article. I won't even through the free links. They don't want me, they don't get me.

sametmax 8y ago

I use a vpn, but you can use a simple proxy. E.x: https://us.hidester.com/proxy.php?u=eJwBWACn%2F3M6ODA6IoYNRJPBBO8LlMr8EbraemMMbZ0xx54cw%2FcabwpzWX1AV4DtLuKWY5DvloA62GpiUyk7Zsq3GVJO82Yox6gpKNkBPoOOqXfFhE%2Bth4KgMbn3IjvH5ihi&b=7&f=norefer https://us.hidester.com/proxy.php?u=eJwBWACn%2F3M6ODA6IoYNRJ...

alexgray 8y ago

He might be using a VPN, I get the same message from the UK.

wolfgke 8y ago

> Can you read this article? Use Tor Browser.

Markoff 8y ago

i see this more frequently in recent days but only here on HN, i guess it's same media house as LA times because you end up on same domain

thg 8y ago

Here you go: https://outline.com/vKj7vM https://outline.com/vKj7vM Basically, whenever there's a website like this that annoys me, I just copy the URL and Outline it: outline.com/$url No clicking through annoying dialogs, or having to use a vpn.

harias 8y ago
Same here. It works for paywalls too! I wonder what their business model is though.
- kazinator 8y ago
  Disrupt some shit and duck? :) If I were to guess; they will start inserting their own content into these filtered pages, after some time. Newly created ones will be nice and clean, but after some months perhaps, mysterious stuff will start creeping in when those URLs are viewed.
owie829 8y ago
which would appear to be a violation of their terms: If someone else might own the copyright to it, don't submit it. Outline is for reading pages that: * you own the rights to, * is in the public domain, * constitutes fair use, or * you have consent of the copyright holder.
- kazinator 8y ago
  That's not terms of use; it's a feeble attempt to shift any legal issues onto the end user. It's unlikely to hold up in court; the servers of outline.com and their owners will likely be deemed as creating the unauthorized derived work. You cannot sue a hyperlink that's floating around in the wild; you cannot prove who created that link.
drewmol 8y ago
Thanks for this, pretty useful for when I'm not on my own device.

justsomedude43 8y ago

I just tend to move on when I see a message like that. If you rather block access to 400-500 million people than sort out your privacy policy and how you manage sensitive data, then so be it. Stay away from such websites!

HumanDrivenDev 8y ago

Just get a VPN like the Chinese posters use.