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Should do the same thing for immigrants on various work visas, to make sure they are aware of what salaries and conditions they are entitled to.

Cthulhu_ 8y ago
There's some charities operating here in Europe that do just that, making sure the employees know their rights - which includes minimum wage, and not to have their passports taken from them.
- nieve 8y ago
  Unfortunately some groups (and governments) in Europe are now trying to criminalize providing information to immigrants.
  - mistermann 8y ago
    Do you have a citation for this claim?
    - snaily 8y ago
      I believe the GP refers to Hungary's "Soros Law": https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/world/europe/hungary-stop-soros-law.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/world/europe/hungary-stop... "Under the terms of a new law, helping migrants legalize their status in Hungary by distributing information about the asylum process or providing them with financial assistance could result in a 12-month jail term."
      - fjsolwmv 8y ago
        It's the "Stop Soros Law", not the "Soros Law". Also you (accidentally?) Glossed over the part that it's targeting illegal immigrants.
        macintux 8y ago
        Laws like that tend to spill over into the legal migrant community. When someone asks for help, it now becomes your onus to verify their legal status lest you break the law, making people less likely to help out at all.
        mistermann 8y ago
        > Laws like that tend to spill over into the legal migrant community. If / when that happens, OP would then be correct in his claim. Until then, he is incorrect.
        mistermann 8y ago
        Downvoting based on differences of opinion is fine, and in accordance with HN guidelines. Downvoting on matters of fact is something else entirely. I'd love to know how people justify this intellectual dishonesty in their minds, "the ends justify the means"? Be careful of the precedent you are setting, normalizing fact-free judgement in society might someday turn on you.
        dragonwriter 8y ago
        > Glossed over the part that it's targeting illegal immigrants. It's specifically targeting potential asylum seekers that are “illegal immigrants” only to the extent that they are unaware of the proper asylum process by criminalizing correcting that deficiency.
      - mistermann 8y ago
        Migrants, not immigrants. There is a difference.
  - tiatia123 8y ago
    Yeah. Like the people who hire ships and basically offer a taxi service from Europe to Africa. The migrants sit on tiny boats, let the boats drift a few miles into the sea, send an emergency signal, get picked up and instead of getting brought back 5 miles to Africa, they are shipped to Europe. Then, let other people pay for health care, food, shelter, pocket money.
    - dang 8y ago
      If you continue to use HN for ideological and national battle, we are going to have to ban you. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- 394549 8y ago
  > There's some charities operating here in Europe that do just that, making sure the employees know their rights - which includes minimum wage, and not to have their passports taken from them. In America, it's required by law to post notices of employee rights in some common area of the place of employment. My current job has about 20 pages of notices posted just inside a secondary entrance, I doubt anyone's read them. I think that system is pretty flawed. I like the idea of the government sending people periodic notices of their employee rights, and maybe regular reminders that focus on one particular right at a time (as a big packet given around your start date is unlikely to be read completely or remembered when a relevant issue arises).
  - manicdee 8y ago
    This possibly points to a need to homogenise the programs so that there is only one contract for doing one type of work, regardless of whether the person doing that work is citizen, resident, work visa, sponsored visa, etc.
m348e912 8y ago
This kind of exists already. Job information for H1B candidates is public information. https://h1bdata.info https://h1bdata.info
- matthberg 8y ago
  Unfortunately, as the article mentions, the problem isn't with the availability of the information it's with the actual knowledge of the information. That's why the post cards matter so much, the program had a publicly available website for seven years, yet the solution lay in actively distributing the information instead of passively distributing it.
  - digi_owl 8y ago
    The opening joke in hitchhikers about the highway plans being behind the "beware of tiger" door in the basement comes to mind...

Cthulhu_ 8y ago

There's some charities operating here in Europe that do just that, making sure the employees know their rights - which includes minimum wage, and not to have their passports taken from them.

nieve 8y ago
Unfortunately some groups (and governments) in Europe are now trying to criminalize providing information to immigrants.
- mistermann 8y ago
  Do you have a citation for this claim?
  - snaily 8y ago
    I believe the GP refers to Hungary's "Soros Law": https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/world/europe/hungary-stop-soros-law.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/world/europe/hungary-stop... "Under the terms of a new law, helping migrants legalize their status in Hungary by distributing information about the asylum process or providing them with financial assistance could result in a 12-month jail term."
    - fjsolwmv 8y ago
      It's the "Stop Soros Law", not the "Soros Law". Also you (accidentally?) Glossed over the part that it's targeting illegal immigrants.
      - macintux 8y ago
        Laws like that tend to spill over into the legal migrant community. When someone asks for help, it now becomes your onus to verify their legal status lest you break the law, making people less likely to help out at all.
        mistermann 8y ago
        > Laws like that tend to spill over into the legal migrant community. If / when that happens, OP would then be correct in his claim. Until then, he is incorrect.
        mistermann 8y ago
        Downvoting based on differences of opinion is fine, and in accordance with HN guidelines. Downvoting on matters of fact is something else entirely. I'd love to know how people justify this intellectual dishonesty in their minds, "the ends justify the means"? Be careful of the precedent you are setting, normalizing fact-free judgement in society might someday turn on you.
      - dragonwriter 8y ago
        > Glossed over the part that it's targeting illegal immigrants. It's specifically targeting potential asylum seekers that are “illegal immigrants” only to the extent that they are unaware of the proper asylum process by criminalizing correcting that deficiency.
    - mistermann 8y ago
      Migrants, not immigrants. There is a difference.
- tiatia123 8y ago
  Yeah. Like the people who hire ships and basically offer a taxi service from Europe to Africa. The migrants sit on tiny boats, let the boats drift a few miles into the sea, send an emergency signal, get picked up and instead of getting brought back 5 miles to Africa, they are shipped to Europe. Then, let other people pay for health care, food, shelter, pocket money.
  - dang 8y ago
    If you continue to use HN for ideological and national battle, we are going to have to ban you. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
394549 8y ago
> There's some charities operating here in Europe that do just that, making sure the employees know their rights - which includes minimum wage, and not to have their passports taken from them. In America, it's required by law to post notices of employee rights in some common area of the place of employment. My current job has about 20 pages of notices posted just inside a secondary entrance, I doubt anyone's read them. I think that system is pretty flawed. I like the idea of the government sending people periodic notices of their employee rights, and maybe regular reminders that focus on one particular right at a time (as a big packet given around your start date is unlikely to be read completely or remembered when a relevant issue arises).
- manicdee 8y ago
  This possibly points to a need to homogenise the programs so that there is only one contract for doing one type of work, regardless of whether the person doing that work is citizen, resident, work visa, sponsored visa, etc.

m348e912 8y ago

This kind of exists already. Job information for H1B candidates is public information. https://h1bdata.info https://h1bdata.info

matthberg 8y ago
Unfortunately, as the article mentions, the problem isn't with the availability of the information it's with the actual knowledge of the information. That's why the post cards matter so much, the program had a publicly available website for seven years, yet the solution lay in actively distributing the information instead of passively distributing it.
- digi_owl 8y ago
  The opening joke in hitchhikers about the highway plans being behind the "beware of tiger" door in the basement comes to mind...