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Failed in what sense. The project is on, they reduced headcount. Maybe they don't need the same amount of people they initially they needed or they changed the

by pavs 8y ago

Failed in what sense. The project is on, they reduced headcount. Maybe they don't need the same amount of people they initially they needed or they changed the goal of the project. I would hardly call it failed. Other companies have been working longer with a bigger team without a self-driving product to show for it.

jayd16 8y ago
Only Apple could have a round of layoffs and nothing to show for a project and not only will people not call it a failure they'll even act surprised at the suggestion of failure.
- pavs 8y ago
  I am not an apple fanboy, you can read my comment history. People can have different opinions without being a fanboy.
- BinaryIdiot 8y ago
  I...don't follow. Are you claiming to be an Apple insider with knowledge of said project and can prove it actually did fail? Without that I'm not sure how you can say it was a failure or not from the outside. You literally know almost nothing about the project. I could think of dozens of reasons one might do this. Sure they'd likely be wrong but I don't understand the view point of "it's obviously a failure but everyone is giving Apple a pass".
- Animats 8y ago
  Apple fandom is amusing. In the early iPhone days, when they had screen scratch problems, I said that they should use a sapphire coating, like the checkout scanners at Home Depot. Those survive steel tools being dragged across them all day for years. Fanboys insisted that sapphire was unnecessary. "You don't need that much scratch resistance". "Costs too much". Etc. Then Apple announced they were going to put a sapphire coating on their screen glass. Fanboys then insisted that sapphire was the Next Big Thing, and phones without it were inferior.[1] Then Apple's sapphire scheme fell through, after they pressured their sapphire supplier into contract terms that put the company out of business. Apple went back to Corning's hardened glass. Fanboys followed the company line and insisted sapphire was unnecessary and would crack.[2] Kyocera and HTC make phones with sapphire screens, but Apple fans don't talk about that. [1] https://www.cultofmac.com/267068/everything-wanted-know-sapphire-glass-afraid-ask-qa/ https://www.cultofmac.com/267068/everything-wanted-know-sapp... [2] https://www.recode.net/2016/7/28/12305062/apple-iphone-gorilla-glass-sapphire-screens https://www.recode.net/2016/7/28/12305062/apple-iphone-goril...
  - innagadadavida 8y ago
    Apple animosity also amusing, just because you have an idea, it might not be implementable for various reasons. Expressing those opinions are fine however.
  - zuppy 8y ago
    Calling people fanboys only discredits you. We don't have a single opinion, you've just heard different groups of people. Sapphire has advantages and disadvantages, it's more scratch resistant but also more brittle, for example. Would it be nice?... sure. Would it be a deal breaker? Definitely not.
  - icantdrive55 8y ago
    They realized Fanboys would treat their 1/2 grand dumb computer's like new born infants. They realized replacement screens would just boost revenue. They realized they could do anything?
- hrktb 8y ago
  I think the issue is on who decides it’s a failure. If it’s a consumer goods we choose to buy or not, we have a yardstick to decide (i.e. does its utility match the price paid?). For an internal project not even acknowledged in the broad, what’s the yardstick? The expectations we have based on our imaginations and dreams about the potential product and its timeline ? Perhaps Apple sees it as failing the original goal, but really who knows ? (and to be honest why do we care what Apple thinks about it)
- oblio 8y ago
  I'm far from an Apple fanboy, but Apple, Google & co have so much spare cash that they can go for 5-10 large moonshot projects and still not care about these "failures". Nokia betting on Symbian, Microsoft on Windows Phone, IBM on OS/2, those are failures, things which put the company in jeopardy, in my opinion. Everything else is just "research" :)

by pavs 8y ago

jayd16 8y ago

Only Apple could have a round of layoffs and nothing to show for a project and not only will people not call it a failure they'll even act surprised at the suggestion of failure.

pavs 8y ago
I am not an apple fanboy, you can read my comment history. People can have different opinions without being a fanboy.
BinaryIdiot 8y ago
I...don't follow. Are you claiming to be an Apple insider with knowledge of said project and can prove it actually did fail? Without that I'm not sure how you can say it was a failure or not from the outside. You literally know almost nothing about the project. I could think of dozens of reasons one might do this. Sure they'd likely be wrong but I don't understand the view point of "it's obviously a failure but everyone is giving Apple a pass".
Animats 8y ago
Apple fandom is amusing. In the early iPhone days, when they had screen scratch problems, I said that they should use a sapphire coating, like the checkout scanners at Home Depot. Those survive steel tools being dragged across them all day for years. Fanboys insisted that sapphire was unnecessary. "You don't need that much scratch resistance". "Costs too much". Etc. Then Apple announced they were going to put a sapphire coating on their screen glass. Fanboys then insisted that sapphire was the Next Big Thing, and phones without it were inferior.[1] Then Apple's sapphire scheme fell through, after they pressured their sapphire supplier into contract terms that put the company out of business. Apple went back to Corning's hardened glass. Fanboys followed the company line and insisted sapphire was unnecessary and would crack.[2] Kyocera and HTC make phones with sapphire screens, but Apple fans don't talk about that. [1] https://www.cultofmac.com/267068/everything-wanted-know-sapphire-glass-afraid-ask-qa/ https://www.cultofmac.com/267068/everything-wanted-know-sapp... [2] https://www.recode.net/2016/7/28/12305062/apple-iphone-gorilla-glass-sapphire-screens https://www.recode.net/2016/7/28/12305062/apple-iphone-goril...
- innagadadavida 8y ago
  Apple animosity also amusing, just because you have an idea, it might not be implementable for various reasons. Expressing those opinions are fine however.
- zuppy 8y ago
  Calling people fanboys only discredits you. We don't have a single opinion, you've just heard different groups of people. Sapphire has advantages and disadvantages, it's more scratch resistant but also more brittle, for example. Would it be nice?... sure. Would it be a deal breaker? Definitely not.
- icantdrive55 8y ago
  They realized Fanboys would treat their 1/2 grand dumb computer's like new born infants. They realized replacement screens would just boost revenue. They realized they could do anything?
hrktb 8y ago
I think the issue is on who decides it’s a failure. If it’s a consumer goods we choose to buy or not, we have a yardstick to decide (i.e. does its utility match the price paid?). For an internal project not even acknowledged in the broad, what’s the yardstick? The expectations we have based on our imaginations and dreams about the potential product and its timeline ? Perhaps Apple sees it as failing the original goal, but really who knows ? (and to be honest why do we care what Apple thinks about it)
oblio 8y ago
I'm far from an Apple fanboy, but Apple, Google & co have so much spare cash that they can go for 5-10 large moonshot projects and still not care about these "failures". Nokia betting on Symbian, Microsoft on Windows Phone, IBM on OS/2, those are failures, things which put the company in jeopardy, in my opinion. Everything else is just "research" :)