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Disclaimer: I work at U Liane was beloved at Uber. I cannot speak to any issues of racial discrimination, but I definitely felt that Lianne was one of the "goo

by tmh79 8y ago

Disclaimer: I work at U Liane was beloved at Uber. I cannot speak to any issues of racial discrimination, but I definitely felt that Lianne was one of the "good" folks at the company, and I am very surprised and dissapointed by this news.

jhowell 8y ago
Seems that she disagrees with you.
rrix2 8y ago
There are those of us who are happy with the new leadership in general who were not fans of her. That's not a conversation I'm having on a public forum, though.
- creddit 8y ago
  Then why mention it at all? If you're not willing to back up such a statement like that with any kind of reasoning and state so explicitly, why bother telling anyone? This is a forum; implying a place for discussion. If you don't intend to do that, refraining from such provocative but unsubstantiated additions is more positive.
  - rrix2 8y ago
    If the person who works at uber wants to know more they know how to get in contact with me, I use my real name here and I’m not about to get fired for providing at least a hint that not everyone was hoodwinked by her. Also, if you think my hedging here is paranoid: https://www.pcgamer.com/amp/guild-wars-2-writers-fired-following-heated-twitter-exchange-with-streamer/ https://www.pcgamer.com/amp/guild-wars-2-writers-fired-follo...
    - creddit 8y ago
      And as a privacy engineer you're unaware of anyway to maintain your privacy and remain anonymous in order to provide constructive additions to the conversation? You don't fear firing due to stating your dislike of the former exec but fear what might happen if you explain that dislike???
      - rrix2 8y ago
        Friend, this is a professional forum and I am trying to be just that: professional. I don’t want to waste my time having to do damage control if the internet decides to shit on me for having an opinion. I want to provide viewpoints to my anonymous coworker upthread that not everyone agrees with them.
      - deleted 8y ago
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      - rrix2 8y ago
        Since I feel like I didn’t address the core of your latter point: the difference here is that I don’t violate any agreements with my employer by stating a simple opinion. I put myself at risk when I explain that with information that is 1) worth pageviews and incidniary writing and 2) violates the trust of people I respect who have shared their own anecdotes with me. I could paint broad strokes but that doesn’t help folks understand things any better than if I just elided it entirely.
        Gigablah 8y ago
        "providing at least a hint that not everyone was hoodwinked by her" I think this already goes beyond opinion into insinuation.
        rrix2 8y ago
        That's fair and appreciated. At that point I was agitated and defensive last night, and that came out there.
  - lmartel 8y ago
    Couldn't you criticize the parent comment for exactly the same reason? Someone posted "I liked her" and someone else posted "well I didn't."
    - creddit 8y ago
      I see no indication that the parent would refuse to provide reasoning behind their statement.
      - rrix2 8y ago
        If I edited my last sentence out and simply ignored any responses instead would you be satisfied?
  - fenomas 8y ago
    > If you're not willing to back up such a statement like that with any kind of reasoning and state so explicitly... This is unwarranted. GP's comment was vague, but no vaguer than the one they were replying to - both offered subjective personal opinions about the topic of the article. That's hardly out of line for a discussion forum.
  - lhorie 8y ago
    > why bother telling anyone To me, the intent here appears to be to offer anecdata to make a case that she wasn't _universally_ beloved. I think it's meaningful and useful to be reminded that employees in a company aren't a bunch of mindless sheep and that they can have different values and opinions. There's no need to do any lynching/bad-mouthing publically for that.
esturk 8y ago
Are you a person of color? Because the issue was about racial discrimination. I don't doubt she may treat non color folks great but you may not be hearing the whole story.
- barking 8y ago
  OTOH any company trying to desperately restore its reputation might be inclined to act on the merest whiff of an allegation of this sort.
- b6 8y ago
  I'm not sure if I'm a person of color. Could you explain how one would find out?
  - chirau 8y ago
    What is your race?
    - deleted 8y ago
      [deleted]
    - b6 8y ago
      I don't know. How do I find out for sure?
      - slowmotiony 8y ago
        Can you say the N word to black people without being charged with a hate crime?
      - function_seven 8y ago
        I guess if you really don't know, ask your parents?
        b6 8y ago
        I asked them. They're not sure either. Is there a test we can do to know for sure?
kevintb 8y ago
If you weren’t among those discriminated against, you don’t speak for everyone.
- taneq 8y ago
  Even if you were among those discriminated against, you don't speak for everyone. No-one speaks for everyone.
  - chirau 8y ago
    Your counter argument is weak. No on claimed she discriminated against everyone. The only claim is that she discriminated against someone and that is all the proof that is needed.
    - corin_ 8y ago
      I don’t think you are disagreeing with the person you’re replying to. Your point that it can be discrimination without affecting all people of <x description> matches their point that one person of <x description> can’t speak for the experiences of all other people like them.
  - kevintb 8y ago
    They're not speaking for everyone. They're speaking for themselves. Of being discriminated.
dm3730 8y ago
> I definitely felt that Lianne was one of the "good" folks at the company, and I am very surprised and dissapointed by this news. People were saying the same thing about Bill Cosby, that he was one of the "good guys" right up until light was shed on his behavior with a specific subset of human beings. I know great engineers who treat me really well but at the same time are horrible human beings who treat specific subgroups of people in an unacceptable way. This process of helping such people identify that they have a problem, that they are behaving in an unacceptable way and then fixing it is a good thing.
- seatdrummer 8y ago
  It sounds like you are comparing a viewers relationship with bill cosby to this person's relationship with the HR rep. People that knew bill well knew he was weird before he got hit with all the accusations. He would do weird stuff like order people to stand/sit infront of him and watch him eat.

by tmh79 8y ago

jhowell 8y ago

Seems that she disagrees with you.

rrix2 8y ago

There are those of us who are happy with the new leadership in general who were not fans of her. That's not a conversation I'm having on a public forum, though.

creddit 8y ago
Then why mention it at all? If you're not willing to back up such a statement like that with any kind of reasoning and state so explicitly, why bother telling anyone? This is a forum; implying a place for discussion. If you don't intend to do that, refraining from such provocative but unsubstantiated additions is more positive.
- rrix2 8y ago
  If the person who works at uber wants to know more they know how to get in contact with me, I use my real name here and I’m not about to get fired for providing at least a hint that not everyone was hoodwinked by her. Also, if you think my hedging here is paranoid: https://www.pcgamer.com/amp/guild-wars-2-writers-fired-following-heated-twitter-exchange-with-streamer/ https://www.pcgamer.com/amp/guild-wars-2-writers-fired-follo...
  - creddit 8y ago
    And as a privacy engineer you're unaware of anyway to maintain your privacy and remain anonymous in order to provide constructive additions to the conversation? You don't fear firing due to stating your dislike of the former exec but fear what might happen if you explain that dislike???
    - rrix2 8y ago
      Friend, this is a professional forum and I am trying to be just that: professional. I don’t want to waste my time having to do damage control if the internet decides to shit on me for having an opinion. I want to provide viewpoints to my anonymous coworker upthread that not everyone agrees with them.
    - deleted 8y ago
      [deleted]
    - rrix2 8y ago
      Since I feel like I didn’t address the core of your latter point: the difference here is that I don’t violate any agreements with my employer by stating a simple opinion. I put myself at risk when I explain that with information that is 1) worth pageviews and incidniary writing and 2) violates the trust of people I respect who have shared their own anecdotes with me. I could paint broad strokes but that doesn’t help folks understand things any better than if I just elided it entirely.
      - Gigablah 8y ago
        "providing at least a hint that not everyone was hoodwinked by her" I think this already goes beyond opinion into insinuation.
        rrix2 8y ago
        That's fair and appreciated. At that point I was agitated and defensive last night, and that came out there.
- lmartel 8y ago
  Couldn't you criticize the parent comment for exactly the same reason? Someone posted "I liked her" and someone else posted "well I didn't."
  - creddit 8y ago
    I see no indication that the parent would refuse to provide reasoning behind their statement.
    - rrix2 8y ago
      If I edited my last sentence out and simply ignored any responses instead would you be satisfied?
- fenomas 8y ago
  > If you're not willing to back up such a statement like that with any kind of reasoning and state so explicitly... This is unwarranted. GP's comment was vague, but no vaguer than the one they were replying to - both offered subjective personal opinions about the topic of the article. That's hardly out of line for a discussion forum.
- lhorie 8y ago
  > why bother telling anyone To me, the intent here appears to be to offer anecdata to make a case that she wasn't _universally_ beloved. I think it's meaningful and useful to be reminded that employees in a company aren't a bunch of mindless sheep and that they can have different values and opinions. There's no need to do any lynching/bad-mouthing publically for that.

esturk 8y ago

Are you a person of color? Because the issue was about racial discrimination. I don't doubt she may treat non color folks great but you may not be hearing the whole story.

barking 8y ago
OTOH any company trying to desperately restore its reputation might be inclined to act on the merest whiff of an allegation of this sort.
b6 8y ago
I'm not sure if I'm a person of color. Could you explain how one would find out?
- chirau 8y ago
  What is your race?
  - deleted 8y ago
    [deleted]
  - b6 8y ago
    I don't know. How do I find out for sure?
    - slowmotiony 8y ago
      Can you say the N word to black people without being charged with a hate crime?
    - function_seven 8y ago
      I guess if you really don't know, ask your parents?
      - b6 8y ago
        I asked them. They're not sure either. Is there a test we can do to know for sure?

kevintb 8y ago

If you weren’t among those discriminated against, you don’t speak for everyone.

taneq 8y ago
Even if you were among those discriminated against, you don't speak for everyone. No-one speaks for everyone.
- chirau 8y ago
  Your counter argument is weak. No on claimed she discriminated against everyone. The only claim is that she discriminated against someone and that is all the proof that is needed.
  - corin_ 8y ago
    I don’t think you are disagreeing with the person you’re replying to. Your point that it can be discrimination without affecting all people of <x description> matches their point that one person of <x description> can’t speak for the experiences of all other people like them.
- kevintb 8y ago
  They're not speaking for everyone. They're speaking for themselves. Of being discriminated.

dm3730 8y ago

> I definitely felt that Lianne was one of the "good" folks at the company, and I am very surprised and dissapointed by this news. People were saying the same thing about Bill Cosby, that he was one of the "good guys" right up until light was shed on his behavior with a specific subset of human beings. I know great engineers who treat me really well but at the same time are horrible human beings who treat specific subgroups of people in an unacceptable way. This process of helping such people identify that they have a problem, that they are behaving in an unacceptable way and then fixing it is a good thing.

seatdrummer 8y ago
It sounds like you are comparing a viewers relationship with bill cosby to this person's relationship with the HR rep. People that knew bill well knew he was weird before he got hit with all the accusations. He would do weird stuff like order people to stand/sit infront of him and watch him eat.