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Can China not innovate at all? Why are they so keen on stealing IP? Their other homegrown products such as WeChat and Xiaomi seem pretty competitive and very ca

Can China not innovate at all? Why are they so keen on stealing IP? Their other homegrown products such as WeChat and Xiaomi seem pretty competitive and very catered to the local market. This is just giving such a bad name to the country and supporting Trump's broad claims that China thrives on IP theft.

jackvalentine 8y ago
What makes you think this is anything other than an opportunistic individual trying to ensure a job/gain standing/'have all the answers' at a new company?
nihonde 8y ago
China has a huge, captive local market. The business model of copying foreign ideas and applying low-cost local labor, and local marketing/distribution know-how has plenty of precedents in all kinds of developing markets. Hollywood itself is founded on so-called IP “theft”. Anyway, the legal barriers of intellectual property have proven again and again to be futile and problematic as a means to drive innovation. Just look at the huge waste in IP litigation, the perverse incentives of IP trolling, and the utter impotence of DRM as a legal mechanism. Trump’s claims about IP rights are as credible as his claims about bring manufacturing and coal mining jobs back to America. It’s just pandering to an audience that can’t or won’t keep up with the winds of change.
princetontiger 8y ago
China has invented nothing. Look it up. Very sad. Hence, the lying, cheating, and stealing. The West has now seen this behavior, and China will be walled off/bombed if things persist. We've already occupied the forbidden city once (100 years ago). We'll do it again.
sumedh 8y ago
> Why are they so keen on stealing IP? That is how the game is played when you have nothing. You copy others, sell your product, use the profits for research and development and then come up with your own IP. Indian Pharma companies do the same thing.
abalone 8y ago
Anthony Levandowski did exactly the same thing last year. Nobody concluded that white Americans can’t innovate.
- wavefunction 8y ago
  He wasn't headed back to some country of origin though. I take your point it's not really the same.
  - abalone 8y ago
    Right, he headed from Mountain View to San Francisco. Nobody complained about how keen San Franciscans are to steal everyone's IP.
    - RugnirViking 8y ago
      At the time, people actually did deride the culture of people gaining knowledge then quitting to form their own startups, often with the goal of getting bought by their old company. Note: I don't think this means that chinese people have no capacity to innovate I just figured you were a bit wrong suggesting noone made that argument when they definately did
      - abalone 8y ago
        Show me the comment where someone said America can’t innovate after Levandowski was caught.

jackvalentine 8y ago

What makes you think this is anything other than an opportunistic individual trying to ensure a job/gain standing/'have all the answers' at a new company?

nihonde 8y ago

China has a huge, captive local market. The business model of copying foreign ideas and applying low-cost local labor, and local marketing/distribution know-how has plenty of precedents in all kinds of developing markets. Hollywood itself is founded on so-called IP “theft”. Anyway, the legal barriers of intellectual property have proven again and again to be futile and problematic as a means to drive innovation. Just look at the huge waste in IP litigation, the perverse incentives of IP trolling, and the utter impotence of DRM as a legal mechanism. Trump’s claims about IP rights are as credible as his claims about bring manufacturing and coal mining jobs back to America. It’s just pandering to an audience that can’t or won’t keep up with the winds of change.

princetontiger 8y ago

China has invented nothing. Look it up. Very sad. Hence, the lying, cheating, and stealing. The West has now seen this behavior, and China will be walled off/bombed if things persist. We've already occupied the forbidden city once (100 years ago). We'll do it again.

sumedh 8y ago

> Why are they so keen on stealing IP? That is how the game is played when you have nothing. You copy others, sell your product, use the profits for research and development and then come up with your own IP. Indian Pharma companies do the same thing.

abalone 8y ago

Anthony Levandowski did exactly the same thing last year. Nobody concluded that white Americans can’t innovate.

wavefunction 8y ago
He wasn't headed back to some country of origin though. I take your point it's not really the same.
- abalone 8y ago
  Right, he headed from Mountain View to San Francisco. Nobody complained about how keen San Franciscans are to steal everyone's IP.
  - RugnirViking 8y ago
    At the time, people actually did deride the culture of people gaining knowledge then quitting to form their own startups, often with the goal of getting bought by their old company. Note: I don't think this means that chinese people have no capacity to innovate I just figured you were a bit wrong suggesting noone made that argument when they definately did
    - abalone 8y ago
      Show me the comment where someone said America can’t innovate after Levandowski was caught.