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So hole up in a cave because someone might be tracking you every time you leave the house? It's perfectly reasonable to require companies to tell us what data

So hole up in a cave because someone might be tracking you every time you leave the house? It's perfectly reasonable to require companies to tell us what data they're collecting and how it will be used.

ryanmercer 8y ago
>So hole up in a cave because someone might be tracking you every time you leave the house? Welcome to the late 20th century. Cat's out of the bag.
- forapurpose 8y ago
  > Cat's out of the bag. I don't see a reason to believe this. It would be easy to restrict this behavior.
- nkozyra 8y ago
  Cat was also out of the bag with child labor. It was out of the bag with DDT. We have the capability to reverse societal trends when we as a collective find them to be antithetical to our morals. This is no different.
  - ryanmercer 8y ago
    >Cat was also out of the bag with child labor. It's easy "you can't hire employees" and enforce it, it's a lot harder to go "you can't use the billions and billions of cameras in existence to record or track thing" and realistically hope to enforce it, especially when there is valid application. I'm quite fine with the government knowing where my government registered, government licensed, government plated car is going. To legally drive a car you have to be licensed by the government, your car has to be registered with the government and you have to have a license plate issued by the government. You're going to be driving on public roads and private parking lots that have security cameras, ticketing cameras, news cameras, rear view cameras, autonomous car sensors, intersection monitoring cameras, internet streaming cameras and not to mention just about every human being you drive by will have at least one camera on their person. This is a fact of life. Barring the discontinuation of using electricity this isn't going to change. Do you have a phone? You're leaving records on every tower your phone connects to. Do you use WiFi? You're leaving records. Do you have a car with OnStar? You're leaving records. Do you use something like Automatic, you're giving a company all of your driving paths. Do you use Uber or Lyft, you're leaving a trail of where you go. Are you an illegal immigrant or a human/drug/weapon trafficker that is under investigation using a specific vehicle to commit your crimes? Yes? Then don't go to the mall.
    - nkozyra 8y ago
      > It's easy "you can't hire employees" and enforce it I wouldn't say that's "easy" by any measure. It requires(/d) a large shift of public opinion and awareness, enforcement is in many ways harder because there's less visibility. > I'm quite fine with the government knowing where my government registered, government licensed, government plated car is going. You're right. Most of us are. Are you ok with them implanting chips into you as a baby to track your every move? Assuming your response to that is "no" then you realize that the issue at hand is scope. There are limits to what we'll accept. > Do you have a phone? You're leaving records on every tower your phone connects to. Do you use WiFi? You're leaving records. Again you're confusing the principle at large and the scope at which it's applied. > Are you an illegal immigrant or a human/drug/weapon trafficker that is under investigation using a specific vehicle to commit your crimes? Yes? Then don't go to the mall. This is a reductive argument. When I talk about the scope above I'm talking about the impact it has on everyone.

ryanmercer 8y ago

>So hole up in a cave because someone might be tracking you every time you leave the house? Welcome to the late 20th century. Cat's out of the bag.

forapurpose 8y ago
> Cat's out of the bag. I don't see a reason to believe this. It would be easy to restrict this behavior.
nkozyra 8y ago
Cat was also out of the bag with child labor. It was out of the bag with DDT. We have the capability to reverse societal trends when we as a collective find them to be antithetical to our morals. This is no different.
- ryanmercer 8y ago
  >Cat was also out of the bag with child labor. It's easy "you can't hire employees" and enforce it, it's a lot harder to go "you can't use the billions and billions of cameras in existence to record or track thing" and realistically hope to enforce it, especially when there is valid application. I'm quite fine with the government knowing where my government registered, government licensed, government plated car is going. To legally drive a car you have to be licensed by the government, your car has to be registered with the government and you have to have a license plate issued by the government. You're going to be driving on public roads and private parking lots that have security cameras, ticketing cameras, news cameras, rear view cameras, autonomous car sensors, intersection monitoring cameras, internet streaming cameras and not to mention just about every human being you drive by will have at least one camera on their person. This is a fact of life. Barring the discontinuation of using electricity this isn't going to change. Do you have a phone? You're leaving records on every tower your phone connects to. Do you use WiFi? You're leaving records. Do you have a car with OnStar? You're leaving records. Do you use something like Automatic, you're giving a company all of your driving paths. Do you use Uber or Lyft, you're leaving a trail of where you go. Are you an illegal immigrant or a human/drug/weapon trafficker that is under investigation using a specific vehicle to commit your crimes? Yes? Then don't go to the mall.
  - nkozyra 8y ago
    > It's easy "you can't hire employees" and enforce it I wouldn't say that's "easy" by any measure. It requires(/d) a large shift of public opinion and awareness, enforcement is in many ways harder because there's less visibility. > I'm quite fine with the government knowing where my government registered, government licensed, government plated car is going. You're right. Most of us are. Are you ok with them implanting chips into you as a baby to track your every move? Assuming your response to that is "no" then you realize that the issue at hand is scope. There are limits to what we'll accept. > Do you have a phone? You're leaving records on every tower your phone connects to. Do you use WiFi? You're leaving records. Again you're confusing the principle at large and the scope at which it's applied. > Are you an illegal immigrant or a human/drug/weapon trafficker that is under investigation using a specific vehicle to commit your crimes? Yes? Then don't go to the mall. This is a reductive argument. When I talk about the scope above I'm talking about the impact it has on everyone.