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Well, when you rip kids from parents seeking asylum, and then can't even get them back to their parents in a timely manner, yeah, people get upset.

CzechTech 8y ago
Maybe don't try to cross the border illegaly then? Seems like a valid deterrent to me.
- JumpCrisscross 8y ago
  > don't try to cross the border illegaly then? I'm an American citizen. I don't like that my visits to and from a mall being automatically collected by private company for a federal agency with domestic policing capabilities. One can construct a Fourth Amendment case critical of this practice that is completely agnostic towards the illegal immigration debate.
- InclinedPlane 8y ago
  You have no clue what you're talking about, you're just parroting a line you've been fed.
  - dang 8y ago
    You've been breaking the site guidelines repeatedly lately. We ban accounts that do that, so please stop doing it, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- mikeash 8y ago
  Indeed. While we’re at it, let’s institute summary execution for thieves. It’s bound to reduce crime.
  - InclinedPlane 8y ago
    We already have that in America. There are around a thousand summary executions for minor crimes a year in the US. You may be more familiar with them by the name "officer involved shootings".
- wjp3 8y ago
  I thought I saw a turnip truck drive by. Did you fall off?
  - dang 8y ago
    Personal attacks will get you banned here, so please don't do this again. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- GVIrish 8y ago
  First time illegal border crossing is a misdemeanor. Should people have their children forcibly separated from them and shipped to detention centers for a speeding ticket? Jaywalking? Drunk in public? Inflicting cruelty on innocent children is not a reasonable deterrent in a civilized society that has any intention of being moral or just.
  - User23 8y ago
    Pretty sure if you’re drunk in public with your kids and get arrested you will in fact be forcibly separated. Also this is a great example of static thinking, because it completely ignores dynamic effects. Ban family separation, how humane! Second order effect: incentivize bringing children when committing crimes. A sane and compassionate, as well as moral and just, society doesn’t want to encourage bring your kids to crime day either.
    - vageli 8y ago
      I think they were pointing out that you typically get issued a summons in lieu of arrest for misdemeanors.
    - GVIrish 8y ago
      > Pretty sure if you’re drunk in public with your kids and get arrested you will in fact be forcibly separated. For a misdemeanor the police are absolutely not going to take someone's children and ship them to detention centers in other states with no clear way of getting them back or even getting in touch with them. Most of the time a misdemeanor means showing up to court and paying a fine. > Also this is a great example of static thinking, because it completely ignores dynamic effects. Ban family separation, how humane! Second order effect: incentivize bringing children when committing crimes. That doesn't make any sense. Currently, even someone who is charged with one or more felonies does not have their children taken away from them and shipped elsewhere. The only time that would happen is in cases of neglect or abuse. Does that mean our justice system is incentivizing felonies? No. Bottom line is that the law can be enforced just fine without a barbaric policy that harms children for the sins of their parents.

CzechTech 8y ago

Maybe don't try to cross the border illegaly then? Seems like a valid deterrent to me.

JumpCrisscross 8y ago
> don't try to cross the border illegaly then? I'm an American citizen. I don't like that my visits to and from a mall being automatically collected by private company for a federal agency with domestic policing capabilities. One can construct a Fourth Amendment case critical of this practice that is completely agnostic towards the illegal immigration debate.
InclinedPlane 8y ago
You have no clue what you're talking about, you're just parroting a line you've been fed.
- dang 8y ago
  You've been breaking the site guidelines repeatedly lately. We ban accounts that do that, so please stop doing it, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
mikeash 8y ago
Indeed. While we’re at it, let’s institute summary execution for thieves. It’s bound to reduce crime.
- InclinedPlane 8y ago
  We already have that in America. There are around a thousand summary executions for minor crimes a year in the US. You may be more familiar with them by the name "officer involved shootings".
wjp3 8y ago
I thought I saw a turnip truck drive by. Did you fall off?
- dang 8y ago
  Personal attacks will get you banned here, so please don't do this again. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
GVIrish 8y ago
First time illegal border crossing is a misdemeanor. Should people have their children forcibly separated from them and shipped to detention centers for a speeding ticket? Jaywalking? Drunk in public? Inflicting cruelty on innocent children is not a reasonable deterrent in a civilized society that has any intention of being moral or just.
- User23 8y ago
  Pretty sure if you’re drunk in public with your kids and get arrested you will in fact be forcibly separated. Also this is a great example of static thinking, because it completely ignores dynamic effects. Ban family separation, how humane! Second order effect: incentivize bringing children when committing crimes. A sane and compassionate, as well as moral and just, society doesn’t want to encourage bring your kids to crime day either.
  - vageli 8y ago
    I think they were pointing out that you typically get issued a summons in lieu of arrest for misdemeanors.
  - GVIrish 8y ago
    > Pretty sure if you’re drunk in public with your kids and get arrested you will in fact be forcibly separated. For a misdemeanor the police are absolutely not going to take someone's children and ship them to detention centers in other states with no clear way of getting them back or even getting in touch with them. Most of the time a misdemeanor means showing up to court and paying a fine. > Also this is a great example of static thinking, because it completely ignores dynamic effects. Ban family separation, how humane! Second order effect: incentivize bringing children when committing crimes. That doesn't make any sense. Currently, even someone who is charged with one or more felonies does not have their children taken away from them and shipped elsewhere. The only time that would happen is in cases of neglect or abuse. Does that mean our justice system is incentivizing felonies? No. Bottom line is that the law can be enforced just fine without a barbaric policy that harms children for the sins of their parents.