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You aren't making anyone do anything. They choose to participate. If they think it's a bum deal, they don't have to do it.

by jsmcgd 19y ago

bouncingsoul 19y ago
But I think it's a bum deal. I may not directly be taking advantage of people, but I'm giving people an opportunity to be had. Which doesn't sit well with me.
- mixmax 19y ago
  I don't think you should look at it that way. There are a lot of people out there that would like to give it a go - some do it for fun, some try to get a portfolio together, and some are students trying to get better at what they do. There are many reasons for participating, and not all of them have dollars attached.
Tichy 19y ago
What ARE they thinking, though? I mean, either they are not thinking, or they should think it is a bum deal? Some alternatives come to mind, but none compelling in the long run: - I need to practice anyway (but not in the long run, hopefully) - I am the best and I will win (ok, maybe you deserve what you get) - I want to be a designer, but nobody will pay me anyway, so at least I get to do my job for free (= ok, so it is a bum job, but I am a loser anyway, so I can't expect anything better).
- chaostheory 19y ago
  it's like saying that it's retarded to enter a programming contest, which I disagree with Yeah I do agree that it's best for people honing their skills and experience; and for people living in low-cost places where payment in high value currency is worth it (rentacoder, elance, ...). Hell maybe it's fun for some designers like programming is fun for some programmers. What's wrong with that? I'm still really confused over what I perceive to be antagonism towards contests (unless you own a mom & pop design firm)...
  - Tichy 19y ago
    Programming contest: yes, for students it is OK, that point I mentioned ("still need to practice"). After a while it becomes pointless. "low-cost" places: well, if they want to continue living in low-cost places, sure. But in general, even if you come from a cheap country, why should you be forced to work for little money like that, instead of doing proper consulting? Doing it for fun: sure, if you have the time... I just think it would probably be more fun to do the same thing for real money and a real assignment. What in the "contest" makes it more fun than working for the client directly?

You aren't making anyone do anything. They choose to participate. If they think it's a bum deal, they don't have to do it.

by jsmcgd 19y ago

You aren't making anyone do anything. They choose to participate. If they think it's a bum deal, they don't have to do it.

bouncingsoul 19y ago

But I think it's a bum deal. I may not directly be taking advantage of people, but I'm giving people an opportunity to be had. Which doesn't sit well with me.

mixmax 19y ago
I don't think you should look at it that way. There are a lot of people out there that would like to give it a go - some do it for fun, some try to get a portfolio together, and some are students trying to get better at what they do. There are many reasons for participating, and not all of them have dollars attached.

Tichy 19y ago

What ARE they thinking, though? I mean, either they are not thinking, or they should think it is a bum deal? Some alternatives come to mind, but none compelling in the long run: - I need to practice anyway (but not in the long run, hopefully) - I am the best and I will win (ok, maybe you deserve what you get) - I want to be a designer, but nobody will pay me anyway, so at least I get to do my job for free (= ok, so it is a bum job, but I am a loser anyway, so I can't expect anything better).

chaostheory 19y ago
it's like saying that it's retarded to enter a programming contest, which I disagree with Yeah I do agree that it's best for people honing their skills and experience; and for people living in low-cost places where payment in high value currency is worth it (rentacoder, elance, ...). Hell maybe it's fun for some designers like programming is fun for some programmers. What's wrong with that? I'm still really confused over what I perceive to be antagonism towards contests (unless you own a mom & pop design firm)...
- Tichy 19y ago
  Programming contest: yes, for students it is OK, that point I mentioned ("still need to practice"). After a while it becomes pointless. "low-cost" places: well, if they want to continue living in low-cost places, sure. But in general, even if you come from a cheap country, why should you be forced to work for little money like that, instead of doing proper consulting? Doing it for fun: sure, if you have the time... I just think it would probably be more fun to do the same thing for real money and a real assignment. What in the "contest" makes it more fun than working for the client directly?