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>There seems to be a large outspoken group of people who go out of their way to talk about Musk despite their apparent dislike of him I'm sorry what? Musk cons

>There seems to be a large outspoken group of people who go out of their way to talk about Musk despite their apparent dislike of him I'm sorry what? Musk constantly gets tons of PR over nothing from news outlets, to reddit, to HN. It's really strange that a reasonable response to constant bombardment of Musk's half-baked ideas and PR stunts is somehow attributable to people's dislike of Musk personally. How is directly providing concrete and factual events to counter a corporate narrative and to dismantle a cult of personality "going out of [their] way" or even evidence of some kind of odd personal hate towards Musk? The entire response is a really cheap, nonconstructive appeal to motive and is quite frankly full of vague personal attacks. I would maybe give you the benefit of the doubt here by saying you probably just don't participate in the same media channels I do, but you're blatantly aware of the situation given your hostile apology to the current perspective on all things Musk. This is so strangely reminiscent of when Steve Jobs was around.

astine 8y ago
"The entire response is a really cheap, nonconstructive appeal to motive and is quite frankly full of vague personal attacks." You should be the last person to complain about this...
- kadenshep 8y ago
  Why?
  - astine 8y ago
    Because your entire series of posts in this thread thus far have been nothing but questioning the motives of Elon Musk and his fans. Even if you're correct you're a hypocrite to complain about someone doing the same to you. And you're not really accomplishing your goal anyway. The only reason I knew that Musk was even involved in this whole mess was because of his detractors. You're basically signal boosting Musk without even meaning to. I don't personally see any reason to doubt Musk's stated motives but even if he is seeking publicity and attention the best way to deal with that sort of thing is to ignore it.
    - kadenshep 8y ago
      >Because your entire series of posts in this thread thus far have been nothing but questioning the motives of Elon Musk It's not a question. I quite literally detailed what factually has happened. It isn't up for debate. He again, quite literally, decided to discredit and defame the lead of the rescue efforts in attempt to white wash several people calling him out on a very, very obvious PR stunt. They were halfway through the rescue operation while he was tweeting about hauling a 300lb pound tube through a tight cave system. >Even if you're correct you're a hypocrite to complain about someone doing the same to you. Pointing out and supporting a common criticism of a largely public figure is quite different than personally attacking someone reiterating that critique. If the difference is not appreciable to you then there's like 50 different things that need explaining and I am definitely not going to waste my time doing that. >The only reason I knew that Musk was even involved in this whole mess was because of his detractors. Really? Not the mainstream media outlets reporting about it? Or the 600k+ shares on various tweets? You found out because of random internet comments complaining about it, in threads that had nothing to do with those reports? That seems very, very far fetched and beggars belief. >I don't personally see any reason to doubt Musk's stated motives You don't think a clear, consistent pattern of doing the same thing over and over again for unoriginal benefits is not a valid reason to doubt someone's motives? That seems pretty naive. Allow me to reiterate what just went down: Elon Musk came out and publicly attempted to put down and dismiss the chief of the rescue operation, the other people who chose not to use the submarine, while also bolstering up the guy he had a personal email correspondence with just as an attempt to counter people's criticism that he is, yet again, just engaging in empty PR (ask yourself why he is constantly engaged in this). Your suggested and proposed response to this, by your own words, is not attempt to educate people on what's actually going on here, but to simply ignore it. How do you think that's actually going to pan out? Why is doing nothing against misinformation that aids corporate propaganda okay, but somehow personally attacking people with vague fallacies not only somehow rationally acceptable (it's not, but I'll let you attempt to answer it), but suddenly worth your time? Seems a bit odd.
      - astine 8y ago
        And now you're questioning my motives. Hypocrite

astine 8y ago

"The entire response is a really cheap, nonconstructive appeal to motive and is quite frankly full of vague personal attacks." You should be the last person to complain about this...

kadenshep 8y ago
Why?
- astine 8y ago
  Because your entire series of posts in this thread thus far have been nothing but questioning the motives of Elon Musk and his fans. Even if you're correct you're a hypocrite to complain about someone doing the same to you. And you're not really accomplishing your goal anyway. The only reason I knew that Musk was even involved in this whole mess was because of his detractors. You're basically signal boosting Musk without even meaning to. I don't personally see any reason to doubt Musk's stated motives but even if he is seeking publicity and attention the best way to deal with that sort of thing is to ignore it.
  - kadenshep 8y ago
    >Because your entire series of posts in this thread thus far have been nothing but questioning the motives of Elon Musk It's not a question. I quite literally detailed what factually has happened. It isn't up for debate. He again, quite literally, decided to discredit and defame the lead of the rescue efforts in attempt to white wash several people calling him out on a very, very obvious PR stunt. They were halfway through the rescue operation while he was tweeting about hauling a 300lb pound tube through a tight cave system. >Even if you're correct you're a hypocrite to complain about someone doing the same to you. Pointing out and supporting a common criticism of a largely public figure is quite different than personally attacking someone reiterating that critique. If the difference is not appreciable to you then there's like 50 different things that need explaining and I am definitely not going to waste my time doing that. >The only reason I knew that Musk was even involved in this whole mess was because of his detractors. Really? Not the mainstream media outlets reporting about it? Or the 600k+ shares on various tweets? You found out because of random internet comments complaining about it, in threads that had nothing to do with those reports? That seems very, very far fetched and beggars belief. >I don't personally see any reason to doubt Musk's stated motives You don't think a clear, consistent pattern of doing the same thing over and over again for unoriginal benefits is not a valid reason to doubt someone's motives? That seems pretty naive. Allow me to reiterate what just went down: Elon Musk came out and publicly attempted to put down and dismiss the chief of the rescue operation, the other people who chose not to use the submarine, while also bolstering up the guy he had a personal email correspondence with just as an attempt to counter people's criticism that he is, yet again, just engaging in empty PR (ask yourself why he is constantly engaged in this). Your suggested and proposed response to this, by your own words, is not attempt to educate people on what's actually going on here, but to simply ignore it. How do you think that's actually going to pan out? Why is doing nothing against misinformation that aids corporate propaganda okay, but somehow personally attacking people with vague fallacies not only somehow rationally acceptable (it's not, but I'll let you attempt to answer it), but suddenly worth your time? Seems a bit odd.
    - astine 8y ago
      And now you're questioning my motives. Hypocrite