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Wait, that makes no sense. Why compare a language like PHP with a framework like Rails or Django. Shouldn't you compare CakePHP, Symfony, or Zend, instead of PH

by barnaby 16y ago

Wait, that makes no sense. Why compare a language like PHP with a framework like Rails or Django. Shouldn't you compare CakePHP, Symfony, or Zend, instead of PHP? Or compare PHP against Python and Ruby?

stevenwei 16y ago
Practical considerations I would assume: Django dominates the large majority of Python jobs, while Rails dominates the large majority of Ruby jobs out there. PHP has a much more divided split.
- fauigerzigerk 16y ago
  Django does not dominate Python jobs at all. Just look at this: Python 19,381 jobs http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=python&l= http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=python&l= Django 1,057 jobs http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=Django&l= http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=Django&l= Django doesn't even dominate Python web related jobs if you accept "Python JavaScript" as a proxy for Python web related jobs: http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=Python+Javascript&l= http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=Python+Javascript&l= gives you 4,671 jobs. Granted for many of them Python is not the main skill asked for. Python is used by sysadmins and by scientists and even in financial services combined with C++. The combination of Python and C++ is requested 7,165 times. Compare that with "PHP C++" 3,051, "Ruby C++" 2,277, "Java C++" 25,675 and "C# C++" 13,045. So Python has become a language that is very broadly used in all kinds of development jobs.
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  - carbon8 16y ago
    Django does not dominate Python jobs at all. We are discussing web development jobs in this particular thread. Django doesn't even dominate Python web related jobs Yes, it does. SimplyHired: Django 1168, Pylons 143, TurboGears 18, Zope 96, web.py 5. "Python JavaScript"...Granted for many of them Python is not the main skill asked for Exactly the problem with that approach. It's relatively common to list a bunch of languages including Javascript, Ruby and Python in desired experience for any non-MS web development job, but pretty uncommon to list specific frameworks unless that's what the job is for.
    - fauigerzigerk 16y ago
      That Django dominates among Python web frameworks is undisputed. But you can't just count all Python web dev jobs towards Django even though it isn't mentioned in most of the adverts. Many employers might not care about the framework or leave that to the developer they hire.
carbon8 16y ago
Python is used extensively outside of web development, PHP is not. Django is far more prevalant than other Python web frameworks, eg, Django 1168 vs Pylons 143 on SimplyHired. Also, if you follow my links you'll see that the subjects of the comparison originally came from a poll.

by barnaby 16y ago

stevenwei 16y ago

Practical considerations I would assume: Django dominates the large majority of Python jobs, while Rails dominates the large majority of Ruby jobs out there. PHP has a much more divided split.

fauigerzigerk 16y ago
Django does not dominate Python jobs at all. Just look at this: Python 19,381 jobs http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=python&l= http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=python&l= Django 1,057 jobs http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=Django&l= http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=Django&l= Django doesn't even dominate Python web related jobs if you accept "Python JavaScript" as a proxy for Python web related jobs: http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=Python+Javascript&l= http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=Python+Javascript&l= gives you 4,671 jobs. Granted for many of them Python is not the main skill asked for. Python is used by sysadmins and by scientists and even in financial services combined with C++. The combination of Python and C++ is requested 7,165 times. Compare that with "PHP C++" 3,051, "Ruby C++" 2,277, "Java C++" 25,675 and "C# C++" 13,045. So Python has become a language that is very broadly used in all kinds of development jobs.
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- carbon8 16y ago
  Django does not dominate Python jobs at all. We are discussing web development jobs in this particular thread. Django doesn't even dominate Python web related jobs Yes, it does. SimplyHired: Django 1168, Pylons 143, TurboGears 18, Zope 96, web.py 5. "Python JavaScript"...Granted for many of them Python is not the main skill asked for Exactly the problem with that approach. It's relatively common to list a bunch of languages including Javascript, Ruby and Python in desired experience for any non-MS web development job, but pretty uncommon to list specific frameworks unless that's what the job is for.
  - fauigerzigerk 16y ago
    That Django dominates among Python web frameworks is undisputed. But you can't just count all Python web dev jobs towards Django even though it isn't mentioned in most of the adverts. Many employers might not care about the framework or leave that to the developer they hire.

carbon8 16y ago

Python is used extensively outside of web development, PHP is not. Django is far more prevalant than other Python web frameworks, eg, Django 1168 vs Pylons 143 on SimplyHired. Also, if you follow my links you'll see that the subjects of the comparison originally came from a poll.