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>The campaign to exterminate any alternative political discourse in the West has been so successful that it's now very hard to even talk about any alternative

>The campaign to exterminate any alternative political discourse in the West has been so successful that it's now very hard to even talk about any alternative I’ve seen no evidence of that and with the severity of your claim should you should include a source or two. Perhaps you’re confusing people disagreeing with your view with people attempting to silence you. Those are two very different things. Recall the Occupy Wall Street protest where they camped out in downtown NYC for a month? They broke all sorts of laws but were allowed to stay. That doesn’t sound like “extermination”. What I do see is violence from communist and anarchists against speech that they deem fascists, but are really just moderate voices. I can provide video links if you need, but it’s common knowledge at this point. We still live in a democracy and so long as we do, you’re going to have to live with consensus, which doesn’t see things your way.

XorNot 8y ago
Yes I guess a literal neo-nazi terrorist attack didn't happen on American soil. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally Oh wait it did. And so have numerous ongoing campaigns of harassment and death threats against any dissenting voices. Like this guy: https://www.12news.com/mobile/article/news/local/valley/phoenix-man-posts-photos-of-giving-up-his-guns-gets-death-threats/481212566 https://www.12news.com/mobile/article/news/local/valley/phoe... Even advocated for by the current President of the United States: https://newrepublic.com/minutes/128896/beat-protester-trumps-rally-hell-cover-legal-fees https://newrepublic.com/minutes/128896/beat-protester-trumps...
- IanDrake 8y ago
  I don’t think an organized group like Antifa promoting “by any means necessary” and getting tacit approval from the main stream left is comparable to one (universally condemned) deranged lunatic, a bunch of keyboard warriors, and something stupid Trump said once. There aren’t right leaning groups out there organizing violent protests at college campuses trying to prevent left leaning speakers from being heard.
- MatrixAlgebra 8y ago
  The people/events you mention are in the extreme minority, and are unhinged private citizens. The government and law enforcement of the US is extremely liberal in its tolerance of dissent and protest, as is the American way. Let's also not forget that there are unhinged people on both sides of the political spectrum.
wccrawford 8y ago
>Perhaps you’re confusing people disagreeing with your view with people attempting to silence you. Those are two very different things. Actually, if they're talking to random people around them, those people probably are trying to silence them. It's just about impossible to have rational discourse about politics with a random group of people these days. Far too many of them don't understand how to have a rational conversation about something and quickly fall to just trying to get their way and make the other person shut up. There's no scenario in their minds where they end up parting ways amicably with someone who doesn't believe as they do. I know some people who seem perfectly rational until you find out that they believe all cops are corrupt, all white people are racist, or everyone who voted for Trump condones racism. (Among other touchy subjects.) They get so mad about these issues that you can't even provide them proof of how wrong they are because they'll just flat call you a liar and ignore everything you say. If you are racist, sexist, or whatever they have a hot button about, they'll ignore everything you say on every topic as well. To them, it's impossible for someone who is wrong about something they care about to be wise about something else. Capitalism is one of those hot-button topics for many, many Americans. Decades of propaganda have had a lot of influence and it no longer matters if capitalism is actually the best system. They believe it is, and you can't get them to think about it.
- IanDrake 8y ago
  I agree with just about everything you’ve said, I just don’t think capitalism is one of those topics. “They believe it is, and you can't get them to think about it.” Not getting someone to think about a topic is a far, far cry from not being able to utter such words for fear of violence against you.

XorNot 8y ago

Yes I guess a literal neo-nazi terrorist attack didn't happen on American soil. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally Oh wait it did. And so have numerous ongoing campaigns of harassment and death threats against any dissenting voices. Like this guy: https://www.12news.com/mobile/article/news/local/valley/phoenix-man-posts-photos-of-giving-up-his-guns-gets-death-threats/481212566 https://www.12news.com/mobile/article/news/local/valley/phoe... Even advocated for by the current President of the United States: https://newrepublic.com/minutes/128896/beat-protester-trumps-rally-hell-cover-legal-fees https://newrepublic.com/minutes/128896/beat-protester-trumps...

IanDrake 8y ago
I don’t think an organized group like Antifa promoting “by any means necessary” and getting tacit approval from the main stream left is comparable to one (universally condemned) deranged lunatic, a bunch of keyboard warriors, and something stupid Trump said once. There aren’t right leaning groups out there organizing violent protests at college campuses trying to prevent left leaning speakers from being heard.
MatrixAlgebra 8y ago
The people/events you mention are in the extreme minority, and are unhinged private citizens. The government and law enforcement of the US is extremely liberal in its tolerance of dissent and protest, as is the American way. Let's also not forget that there are unhinged people on both sides of the political spectrum.

wccrawford 8y ago

>Perhaps you’re confusing people disagreeing with your view with people attempting to silence you. Those are two very different things. Actually, if they're talking to random people around them, those people probably are trying to silence them. It's just about impossible to have rational discourse about politics with a random group of people these days. Far too many of them don't understand how to have a rational conversation about something and quickly fall to just trying to get their way and make the other person shut up. There's no scenario in their minds where they end up parting ways amicably with someone who doesn't believe as they do. I know some people who seem perfectly rational until you find out that they believe all cops are corrupt, all white people are racist, or everyone who voted for Trump condones racism. (Among other touchy subjects.) They get so mad about these issues that you can't even provide them proof of how wrong they are because they'll just flat call you a liar and ignore everything you say. If you are racist, sexist, or whatever they have a hot button about, they'll ignore everything you say on every topic as well. To them, it's impossible for someone who is wrong about something they care about to be wise about something else. Capitalism is one of those hot-button topics for many, many Americans. Decades of propaganda have had a lot of influence and it no longer matters if capitalism is actually the best system. They believe it is, and you can't get them to think about it.

IanDrake 8y ago
I agree with just about everything you’ve said, I just don’t think capitalism is one of those topics. “They believe it is, and you can't get them to think about it.” Not getting someone to think about a topic is a far, far cry from not being able to utter such words for fear of violence against you.