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>AWS is not the solution for every task. For self-hosting/personal stuff? Sure, EC2 is not cost effective. But you've just described a pretty powerful server f

>AWS is not the solution for every task. For self-hosting/personal stuff? Sure, EC2 is not cost effective. But you've just described a pretty powerful server for self-hosting, and you've left out a decent chunk of context around the considerations that go in to deploying HA, web-facing architecture.

parliament32 8y ago
>considerations that go in to deploying HA, web-facing architecture Easier than AWS, that's for sure. Getting HA to actually work in AWS is a nightmare of proprietary configuration and obscure documentation. Hardware-in-a-DC HA has been around approximately forever, and there is far more documentation available on the hundreds of ways to get it working rock-solid... all without vendor lock-in.
- Tehchops 8y ago
  >Easier than AWS, that's for sure You finding it hard != is hard >Getting HA to actually work in AWS is a nightmare of proprietary configuration and obscure documentation Strange. I have no problem with it. Most of my peers don't either. There is waaay worse documentation than AWS. >Hardware-in-a-DC HA has been around approximately forever, and there is far more documentation available on the hundreds of ways to get it working rock-solid... all without vendor lock-in. If you could point me to all this documentation you speak of that guarantees a "rock-solid" co-lo experience...
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  - apple4ever 8y ago
    Actually it is hard. Most of your peers and yourself may be familiar with the quirks, but that doesn't mean it isn't hard. AWS's docs are terrible. Others being worse does't change that fact. As for rock solid colo docs- there is this thing called Google. And in fact you barely need that. It's real easy to set up.
    - Tehchops 8y ago
      >Actually it is hard. Most of your peers and yourself may be familiar with the quirks, but that doesn't mean it isn't hard. AWS's docs are terrible. Others being worse does't change that fact. I think you've confused what "facts" are... Doesn't matter. I guess some people are just destined to remain rack 'n stack sysadmins. Fine, more money and less competition for jobs then. >As for rock solid colo docs- there is this thing called Google. And in fact you barely need that. It's real easy to set up. I think you misunderstood my point. I know there are a thousand-and-one guides for setting up Nagios and Postfix and sticking HAProxy in front of it, but my point was that no amount of documentation can abstract away the actual pain points of dealing with co-los, including their owners, staff, and all the fun little problems that crop up with dealing with them. For when it actually matters beyond a dollar value, I trust AWS engineers a lot more than I do HPE/Equinix etc...
      - indigodaddy 8y ago
        Seems you've gone a bit personal here.
patrickg_zill 8y ago
I can't speak to that, aside from pointing out that the authors of the article themselves had to work on the HA aspects of it. It didn't come "for free" with the AWS account.

parliament32 8y ago

>considerations that go in to deploying HA, web-facing architecture Easier than AWS, that's for sure. Getting HA to actually work in AWS is a nightmare of proprietary configuration and obscure documentation. Hardware-in-a-DC HA has been around approximately forever, and there is far more documentation available on the hundreds of ways to get it working rock-solid... all without vendor lock-in.

Tehchops 8y ago
>Easier than AWS, that's for sure You finding it hard != is hard >Getting HA to actually work in AWS is a nightmare of proprietary configuration and obscure documentation Strange. I have no problem with it. Most of my peers don't either. There is waaay worse documentation than AWS. >Hardware-in-a-DC HA has been around approximately forever, and there is far more documentation available on the hundreds of ways to get it working rock-solid... all without vendor lock-in. If you could point me to all this documentation you speak of that guarantees a "rock-solid" co-lo experience...
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- apple4ever 8y ago
  Actually it is hard. Most of your peers and yourself may be familiar with the quirks, but that doesn't mean it isn't hard. AWS's docs are terrible. Others being worse does't change that fact. As for rock solid colo docs- there is this thing called Google. And in fact you barely need that. It's real easy to set up.
  - Tehchops 8y ago
    >Actually it is hard. Most of your peers and yourself may be familiar with the quirks, but that doesn't mean it isn't hard. AWS's docs are terrible. Others being worse does't change that fact. I think you've confused what "facts" are... Doesn't matter. I guess some people are just destined to remain rack 'n stack sysadmins. Fine, more money and less competition for jobs then. >As for rock solid colo docs- there is this thing called Google. And in fact you barely need that. It's real easy to set up. I think you misunderstood my point. I know there are a thousand-and-one guides for setting up Nagios and Postfix and sticking HAProxy in front of it, but my point was that no amount of documentation can abstract away the actual pain points of dealing with co-los, including their owners, staff, and all the fun little problems that crop up with dealing with them. For when it actually matters beyond a dollar value, I trust AWS engineers a lot more than I do HPE/Equinix etc...
    - indigodaddy 8y ago
      Seems you've gone a bit personal here.

patrickg_zill 8y ago

I can't speak to that, aside from pointing out that the authors of the article themselves had to work on the HA aspects of it. It didn't come "for free" with the AWS account.