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Your position here seems to be opposed to anyone who works for a company having any kind of free speech. Please consider whether this is a position that is maxi

by chc 8y ago

Your position here seems to be opposed to anyone who works for a company having any kind of free speech. Please consider whether this is a position that is maximally good for society. She didn't say anything offensive or harmful, just expressed frustration with a pattern of communication that she gets.

ars 8y ago
> having any kind of free speech Exaggerate much? Don't speak as a representative of your company. It's not that hard. You can talk about anything else you like, but don't make people think it's coming from the company. Free speech doesn't give you the right to put words in other peoples', or companies' mouths.
- chc 8y ago
  She wasn't speaking as a representative of the company there. I don't see how you could possibly construe it that way. Here's what she said: > Today in being a female game dev: "Allow me--a person who does not work with you--explain to you how you do your job." If you did take that as an official company statement, it would seem to mean that ArenaNet's official position is that ArenaNet is a female developer who is tired of having her job explained to her by men. It's such a tortured and nonsensical interpretation of her comment that I can't see how you'd read it as anything but her personal feelings as a female game developer.
Sacho 8y ago
> She didn't say anything offensive or harmful Well, this is what she said(during the incident, she's said much worse in other cases), do you still think she didn't say anything offensive or harmful? https://twitter.com/Delafina777/status/1014554296107483136 https://twitter.com/Delafina777/status/1014554296107483136 https://twitter.com/Delafina777/status/1014581433937981445 https://twitter.com/Delafina777/status/1014581433937981445 https://twitter.com/delafina777/status/1014555719352213504 https://twitter.com/delafina777/status/1014555719352213504
- chc 8y ago
  Yes, I still think she didn't say anything offensive or harmful. All she did is express frustration at the way people interact with her. She didn't call for anyone to be fired, she didn't talk about how such-and-such people are subhuman, she just said she found a pattern of communication frustrating.
wolco 8y ago
Playing this up so it is a gender issue does harm all who have suffered.
- chc 8y ago
  How could you see it as anything but a gender issue? Expressing frustration at the way female devs are treated is what they got fired for. What do you reckon it's actually about if not gender? Checkers? Ethics in gaming journalism?
  - trashcan 8y ago
    An employee being rude to their customer.
  - Sacho 8y ago
    How was she treated that's specific to female devs? Literally every decision made by Ghostcrawler/Holinka was scrutinized and criticized to oblivion. See this tweet(https://twitter.com/devolore/status/930185729120002048 https://twitter.com/devolore/status/930185729120002048) by Josh Allen "expressing his frustration" at the way all developers are treated. What Jessica Price did was much more: - she insulted a polite fan(and big community figure) by indirectly calling them a "rando asshat"(https://twitter.com/delafina777/status/1014555719352213504 https://twitter.com/delafina777/status/1014555719352213504) - she insulted all fans trying to engage with her by saying "Don't expect me to pretend to like you here."(https://twitter.com/Delafina777/status/1014581433937981445 https://twitter.com/Delafina777/status/1014581433937981445). ANet has a culture of positive interaction between fans and devs, and devs share their love of the game with the community. This was pointlessly inflammatory and against ANet's image. Maybe she didn't actually mean these things. Maybe she was just expressing her frustration, as you said. But her actions say otherwise - she did not apologize, she has only gone on further to attack her (now former) employer, the fanbase in general, to claim victimhood after flinging shit at them. Those are not the actions of someone who was just expressing their frustration - to me, it seems like she really has contempt for GW fans. Why do you hold Jessica Price to such a low standard? I don't recall Ghostcrawler ever calling fans "asshats", and he had plenty more negative attention, including constant death threats. I don't agree that anyone should be subject to this kind of pressure, but I also don't agree that a dev should be supported when they trash the delicate connection between a company and its customers with careless comments like "Don't expect me to pretend to like you here".

by chc 8y ago

ars 8y ago

> having any kind of free speech Exaggerate much? Don't speak as a representative of your company. It's not that hard. You can talk about anything else you like, but don't make people think it's coming from the company. Free speech doesn't give you the right to put words in other peoples', or companies' mouths.

chc 8y ago
She wasn't speaking as a representative of the company there. I don't see how you could possibly construe it that way. Here's what she said: > Today in being a female game dev: "Allow me--a person who does not work with you--explain to you how you do your job." If you did take that as an official company statement, it would seem to mean that ArenaNet's official position is that ArenaNet is a female developer who is tired of having her job explained to her by men. It's such a tortured and nonsensical interpretation of her comment that I can't see how you'd read it as anything but her personal feelings as a female game developer.

Sacho 8y ago

> She didn't say anything offensive or harmful Well, this is what she said(during the incident, she's said much worse in other cases), do you still think she didn't say anything offensive or harmful? https://twitter.com/Delafina777/status/1014554296107483136 https://twitter.com/Delafina777/status/1014554296107483136 https://twitter.com/Delafina777/status/1014581433937981445 https://twitter.com/Delafina777/status/1014581433937981445 https://twitter.com/delafina777/status/1014555719352213504 https://twitter.com/delafina777/status/1014555719352213504

chc 8y ago
Yes, I still think she didn't say anything offensive or harmful. All she did is express frustration at the way people interact with her. She didn't call for anyone to be fired, she didn't talk about how such-and-such people are subhuman, she just said she found a pattern of communication frustrating.

wolco 8y ago

Playing this up so it is a gender issue does harm all who have suffered.

chc 8y ago
How could you see it as anything but a gender issue? Expressing frustration at the way female devs are treated is what they got fired for. What do you reckon it's actually about if not gender? Checkers? Ethics in gaming journalism?
- trashcan 8y ago
  An employee being rude to their customer.
- Sacho 8y ago
  How was she treated that's specific to female devs? Literally every decision made by Ghostcrawler/Holinka was scrutinized and criticized to oblivion. See this tweet(https://twitter.com/devolore/status/930185729120002048 https://twitter.com/devolore/status/930185729120002048) by Josh Allen "expressing his frustration" at the way all developers are treated. What Jessica Price did was much more: - she insulted a polite fan(and big community figure) by indirectly calling them a "rando asshat"(https://twitter.com/delafina777/status/1014555719352213504 https://twitter.com/delafina777/status/1014555719352213504) - she insulted all fans trying to engage with her by saying "Don't expect me to pretend to like you here."(https://twitter.com/Delafina777/status/1014581433937981445 https://twitter.com/Delafina777/status/1014581433937981445). ANet has a culture of positive interaction between fans and devs, and devs share their love of the game with the community. This was pointlessly inflammatory and against ANet's image. Maybe she didn't actually mean these things. Maybe she was just expressing her frustration, as you said. But her actions say otherwise - she did not apologize, she has only gone on further to attack her (now former) employer, the fanbase in general, to claim victimhood after flinging shit at them. Those are not the actions of someone who was just expressing their frustration - to me, it seems like she really has contempt for GW fans. Why do you hold Jessica Price to such a low standard? I don't recall Ghostcrawler ever calling fans "asshats", and he had plenty more negative attention, including constant death threats. I don't agree that anyone should be subject to this kind of pressure, but I also don't agree that a dev should be supported when they trash the delicate connection between a company and its customers with careless comments like "Don't expect me to pretend to like you here".