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I'd like to get clarification because the way the article flows, it seems like they're saying Jessica Price was engaging with the fanbase aggressively via offic

I'd like to get clarification because the way the article flows, it seems like they're saying Jessica Price was engaging with the fanbase aggressively via official channels, and not her own personal twitter account, which is a huge difference. Are we now in a place where your employer gets to dictate how you present yourself on social media? When I'm on the clock, absolutely, I have to stay on message when using the official accounts, but on my own? Fuck all of that, and fuck anyone who thinks that way. I am my employer's resource from when I come into the office to when I go home, and for brief moments whilist remote-ing in to handle an issue, and outside of that I should have legal protections to do whatever the hell my heart desires, and that includes talking. And tangent-ally related: > Today in being a female game dev: ‘Allow me — a person who does not work with you — explain to you how you do your job.’ That is beautiful, and the essence of my growing rage at my fellow nerds in various fandoms.

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MilnerRoute 8y ago
It appears it was her personal account. “The message is very clear, especially to women at the company: if Reddit wants you fired, we’ll fire you,” Price says. “The quality of your work doesn’t matter. Your personal space, your personal social media, is not yours; you are on the clock 100 percent of the time. We own you. https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/6/17541318/guild-wars-arenanet-jessica-price-peter-fries-fired-reddit https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/6/17541318/guild-wars-arenan...
- ars 8y ago
  And this is why she got fired. She turned this issue into a "women" thing, which it never was. She's toxic to any company, and especially other women.
- lucio 8y ago
  She was talking about her job, the fan was very polite, and after her response, sad when mistreated. You don't mistreat the people who pay for your product, even more when they're polite. I can't see gender involved in this issue. Anyone treating a paying customer like that on a public forum, on a work-related issue, has high chances to be fired.
vvanders 8y ago
Yeah, the whole thing is just levels of stupid. The fact that a fellow writer who got involved was fired as well is just gasoline on the fire. I spent a fair bit of time in that industry and generally the ones running the studios were not the most level-headed people. There's all sorts of abuse that happens because "Hey, it's games! You should be lucky to work in such an industry!".
Sacho 8y ago
> And tangent-ally related: > Today in being a female game dev: ‘Allow me — a person who does not work with you — explain to you how you do your job.’ > That is beautiful, and the essence of my growing rage at my fellow nerds in various fandoms. Perhaps you should temper your growing rage with the facts. Here is what Deroir actually said - https://twitter.com/DeroirGaming/status/1014280605599748096 https://twitter.com/DeroirGaming/status/1014280605599748096
- lucio 8y ago
  and then https://twitter.com/DeroirGaming/status/1014564971416518656 https://twitter.com/DeroirGaming/status/1014564971416518656
- chc 8y ago
  He was not himself rude, but that doesn't mean his comment wasn't part of an irritating pattern of comments from lots of different people. For a completely different example of the same phenomenon, every individual person who makes the "People Eating Tasty Animals" joke at vegans is only making a mild jab, but in aggregate it gets very tiresome for the vegan who hears it over and over and over.
  - mrguyorama 8y ago
    So because other men sometimes doubt the intelligence of women in general, I am never allowed to question a woman?
    - chc 8y ago
      If you know more than her, go right ahead. If she is an experienced professional in a field and you've never done it a day in your life, then yeah, trying to teach her is kind of presumptuous. This isn't just a female thing — it's poor behavior no matter who you're dealing with — but women have to deal with it more often, so it can be more aggravating for them.
      - Bekwnn 8y ago
chomp 8y ago
If you make posts on Twitter and social media with your personal account, but present yourself as "Employee of so-and-so" and muse about your product and engage people with that persona, you've blended your personal and work personas. Anything you do on your personal account now reflects on the company. >I am my employer's resource from when I come into the office to when I go home, and for brief moments whilist remote-ing in to handle an issue, and outside of that I should have legal protections to do whatever the hell my heart desires, and that includes talking. If you separate work and personal life so distinctly, then why talk about work and present your work persona on your personal accounts!
- basic1 8y ago
  That it's a personal account doesn't even matter, the Internet outrage machine will come for your job, this isn't limited to any specific subculture.
- FussyZeus 8y ago
  Oh that is such a load. Who on earth goes through twitter accounts or Facebook accounts to evaluate the employees of a company before they decide to do business with them? I simply can't envision a scenario where Bob's Hot Dogs is going to refuse to use a payment processor like Square because one of Square's marketing people posted to twitter once like 2 years ago that hot dogs suck. And where are we drawing the line here? So you're saying by virtue I'm saying I'm an X at Y Company that I'm now representing that company 24/7 until I quit? That's insane, full bore insane. > If you separate work and personal life so distinctly, then why talk about work and present your work persona on your personal accounts! Because who doesn't!? I follow hundreds of people who regularly discuss their careers and what they do at work, most of them being developers and admins.
  - Karunamon 8y ago
    >And where are we drawing the line here? Answering most of your questions: Causing controversy. Just faffing about on social media, even negatively, generally won't be a problem until such time as you portray your employer in a bad light (say, by shouting at their customers apropos of nothing) and cause them a PR issue.
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Arzh 8y ago
To an extent, (in the eyes of the business) she was actively acting as a representative of the product (discussing the development of the product) and bashing the users of the product (calling them asshats). If that is harmful to the business it doesn't matter if it's on "your time". I would view this differently if she was fired for a tweet that was political in nature or something like it. If I was in charge I'm not sure I would have done the same thing but I can understand the reasoning.
- chc 8y ago
  Your position here seems to be opposed to anyone who works for a company having any kind of free speech. Please consider whether this is a position that is maximally good for society. She didn't say anything offensive or harmful, just expressed frustration with a pattern of communication that she gets.
  - ars 8y ago
    > having any kind of free speech Exaggerate much? Don't speak as a representative of your company. It's not that hard. You can talk about anything else you like, but don't make people think it's coming from the company. Free speech doesn't give you the right to put words in other peoples', or companies' mouths.
    - chc 8y ago
      She wasn't speaking as a representative of the company there. I don't see how you could possibly construe it that way. Here's what she said: > Today in being a female game dev: "Allow me--a person who does not work with you--explain to you how you do your job." If you did take that as an official company statement, it would seem to mean that ArenaNet's official position is that ArenaNet is a female developer who is tired of having her job explained to her by men. It's such a tortured and nonsensical interpretation of her comment that I can't see how you'd read it as anything but her personal feelings as a female game developer.
  - Sacho 8y ago
    > She didn't say anything offensive or harmful Well, this is what she said(during the incident, she's said much worse in other cases), do you still think she didn't say anything offensive or harmful? https://twitter.com/Delafina777/status/1014554296107483136 https://twitter.com/Delafina777/status/1014554296107483136 https://twitter.com/Delafina777/status/1014581433937981445 https://twitter.com/Delafina777/status/1014581433937981445 https://twitter.com/delafina777/status/1014555719352213504 https://twitter.com/delafina777/status/1014555719352213504

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MilnerRoute 8y ago

It appears it was her personal account. “The message is very clear, especially to women at the company: if Reddit wants you fired, we’ll fire you,” Price says. “The quality of your work doesn’t matter. Your personal space, your personal social media, is not yours; you are on the clock 100 percent of the time. We own you. https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/6/17541318/guild-wars-arenanet-jessica-price-peter-fries-fired-reddit https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/6/17541318/guild-wars-arenan...

ars 8y ago
And this is why she got fired. She turned this issue into a "women" thing, which it never was. She's toxic to any company, and especially other women.
lucio 8y ago
She was talking about her job, the fan was very polite, and after her response, sad when mistreated. You don't mistreat the people who pay for your product, even more when they're polite. I can't see gender involved in this issue. Anyone treating a paying customer like that on a public forum, on a work-related issue, has high chances to be fired.

vvanders 8y ago

Yeah, the whole thing is just levels of stupid. The fact that a fellow writer who got involved was fired as well is just gasoline on the fire. I spent a fair bit of time in that industry and generally the ones running the studios were not the most level-headed people. There's all sorts of abuse that happens because "Hey, it's games! You should be lucky to work in such an industry!".

Sacho 8y ago

> And tangent-ally related: > Today in being a female game dev: ‘Allow me — a person who does not work with you — explain to you how you do your job.’ > That is beautiful, and the essence of my growing rage at my fellow nerds in various fandoms. Perhaps you should temper your growing rage with the facts. Here is what Deroir actually said - https://twitter.com/DeroirGaming/status/1014280605599748096 https://twitter.com/DeroirGaming/status/1014280605599748096

lucio 8y ago
and then https://twitter.com/DeroirGaming/status/1014564971416518656 https://twitter.com/DeroirGaming/status/1014564971416518656
chc 8y ago
He was not himself rude, but that doesn't mean his comment wasn't part of an irritating pattern of comments from lots of different people. For a completely different example of the same phenomenon, every individual person who makes the "People Eating Tasty Animals" joke at vegans is only making a mild jab, but in aggregate it gets very tiresome for the vegan who hears it over and over and over.
- mrguyorama 8y ago
  So because other men sometimes doubt the intelligence of women in general, I am never allowed to question a woman?
  - chc 8y ago
    If you know more than her, go right ahead. If she is an experienced professional in a field and you've never done it a day in your life, then yeah, trying to teach her is kind of presumptuous. This isn't just a female thing — it's poor behavior no matter who you're dealing with — but women have to deal with it more often, so it can be more aggravating for them.
    - Bekwnn 8y ago

chomp 8y ago

If you make posts on Twitter and social media with your personal account, but present yourself as "Employee of so-and-so" and muse about your product and engage people with that persona, you've blended your personal and work personas. Anything you do on your personal account now reflects on the company. >I am my employer's resource from when I come into the office to when I go home, and for brief moments whilist remote-ing in to handle an issue, and outside of that I should have legal protections to do whatever the hell my heart desires, and that includes talking. If you separate work and personal life so distinctly, then why talk about work and present your work persona on your personal accounts!

basic1 8y ago
That it's a personal account doesn't even matter, the Internet outrage machine will come for your job, this isn't limited to any specific subculture.
FussyZeus 8y ago
Oh that is such a load. Who on earth goes through twitter accounts or Facebook accounts to evaluate the employees of a company before they decide to do business with them? I simply can't envision a scenario where Bob's Hot Dogs is going to refuse to use a payment processor like Square because one of Square's marketing people posted to twitter once like 2 years ago that hot dogs suck. And where are we drawing the line here? So you're saying by virtue I'm saying I'm an X at Y Company that I'm now representing that company 24/7 until I quit? That's insane, full bore insane. > If you separate work and personal life so distinctly, then why talk about work and present your work persona on your personal accounts! Because who doesn't!? I follow hundreds of people who regularly discuss their careers and what they do at work, most of them being developers and admins.
- Karunamon 8y ago
  >And where are we drawing the line here? Answering most of your questions: Causing controversy. Just faffing about on social media, even negatively, generally won't be a problem until such time as you portray your employer in a bad light (say, by shouting at their customers apropos of nothing) and cause them a PR issue.

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Arzh 8y ago

To an extent, (in the eyes of the business) she was actively acting as a representative of the product (discussing the development of the product) and bashing the users of the product (calling them asshats). If that is harmful to the business it doesn't matter if it's on "your time". I would view this differently if she was fired for a tweet that was political in nature or something like it. If I was in charge I'm not sure I would have done the same thing but I can understand the reasoning.

chc 8y ago
Your position here seems to be opposed to anyone who works for a company having any kind of free speech. Please consider whether this is a position that is maximally good for society. She didn't say anything offensive or harmful, just expressed frustration with a pattern of communication that she gets.
- ars 8y ago
  > having any kind of free speech Exaggerate much? Don't speak as a representative of your company. It's not that hard. You can talk about anything else you like, but don't make people think it's coming from the company. Free speech doesn't give you the right to put words in other peoples', or companies' mouths.
  - chc 8y ago
    She wasn't speaking as a representative of the company there. I don't see how you could possibly construe it that way. Here's what she said: > Today in being a female game dev: "Allow me--a person who does not work with you--explain to you how you do your job." If you did take that as an official company statement, it would seem to mean that ArenaNet's official position is that ArenaNet is a female developer who is tired of having her job explained to her by men. It's such a tortured and nonsensical interpretation of her comment that I can't see how you'd read it as anything but her personal feelings as a female game developer.
- Sacho 8y ago
  > She didn't say anything offensive or harmful Well, this is what she said(during the incident, she's said much worse in other cases), do you still think she didn't say anything offensive or harmful? https://twitter.com/Delafina777/status/1014554296107483136 https://twitter.com/Delafina777/status/1014554296107483136 https://twitter.com/Delafina777/status/1014581433937981445 https://twitter.com/Delafina777/status/1014581433937981445 https://twitter.com/delafina777/status/1014555719352213504 https://twitter.com/delafina777/status/1014555719352213504