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not really if you actually pay attention to border patrol, you will see that these kids have left horrible conditions and many are not separated from parents b

not really if you actually pay attention to border patrol, you will see that these kids have left horrible conditions and many are not separated from parents but from strangers using them to get in or for drug smuggling. some dont even have any parents or family with them. ICE also saves the most lives on the border

EricDeb 8y ago
Do you have any data proving that a significant percentage of these kids are being used by strangers?
lern_too_spel 8y ago
> Many are not separated from parents but from strangers. These aren't the ones that the uproar is about. The uproar is about the children who have been separated from their parents, not the children being held in foster care or holding facilities in general. The 3000 separated from parents is a number from HHS Secretary Azar. The Trump administration updated that number to 2342 children separated from 2206 parents.
- anon12345690 8y ago
  the parents have committed a crime and the kids will be reunited later if they are real family it happens to families everyday that are citizens too not a big deal and the kids are still doing better than before, no reason for the uproar
  - lern_too_spel 8y ago
    > not a big deal and the kids are still doing better than before, no reason for the uproar Somehow, they handled it just fine and at lower cost without family separation before. If so, why separate them except due to racism? They are now having trouble reuniting families weeks later because of improper tracking.
    - anon12345690 8y ago
      what is before? separation has been around since law started because criminals do not say with their kids when in jail, this happens to citizens too which you ignored thinking that its racism is just you jumping to emotional conclusions there are no problems reuniting families when they are actually families, it is when kids are alone or abused as drug mules that they have to work harder to find where to put them they still leave horrible conditions so why arent you upset over how bad the other countries are?
      - dragonwriter 8y ago
        > what is before? Before Trump’s zero tolerance policy, when criminal charges for illegal crossing were essentially never pursued on their own and families with children targeted for deportation without criminal charges were also (since the court order limiting the use of immigration detention for children) not subjected to immigration detention specifically to avoid separation, and where active steps weren't taken to force entrants seeking asylum to enter illegally by preventing access at ports of entry, which is what actually pushed most of the families subjected to Trump's zero tolerance policy into the system in the first place. > there are no problems reuniting families when they are actually families Yes, in fact, there are, in the present situation. > it is when kids are alone Unaccompanied minors have been a particular problem at times in the past, but that's not the current issue. > or abused as drug mules That happens, but, again, is not the source of the current crisis. > they still leave horrible conditions so why arent you upset over how bad the other countries are? Most people upset about this administration’s blatant and indefensible mistreatment and hostage taking with regard to asylum seekers are, also, unhappy with the conditions in the countries that they are fleeing. Which is actually a big reason why they are upset at the Administration’s further tormenting them when they are trying to flee, and actively preventing them from lawfully seeking asylum.
  - dragonwriter 8y ago
    > the parents have committed a crime Largely, because the Administration has taken active steps to prevent lawful asylum applications. > and the kids will be reunited later if they are real family Maybe, sometimes, after the recent court order requiring that; most recently prior to that the kids were being used as hostages to force parents to sign voluntary deportation agreements and give up asylum claims; during and prior to that children were deported separately from their parents and vice versa in a number of cases. And, in any cases, there was no tracking of any kind to facilitate reunification. > not a big deal and the kids are still doing better than before No, they often aren't; especially for the younger children, being forcibly separated from their parents is itself an enormous trauma that will damage their development (social/emotional especially for life.)
dragonwriter 8y ago
> ICE also saves the most lives on the border No, they don't, even before the Trump Administration policy changes that have produced the recent issues. You are confusing ICE with the Border Patrol. They aren't the same thing.

EricDeb 8y ago

Do you have any data proving that a significant percentage of these kids are being used by strangers?

lern_too_spel 8y ago

> Many are not separated from parents but from strangers. These aren't the ones that the uproar is about. The uproar is about the children who have been separated from their parents, not the children being held in foster care or holding facilities in general. The 3000 separated from parents is a number from HHS Secretary Azar. The Trump administration updated that number to 2342 children separated from 2206 parents.

anon12345690 8y ago
the parents have committed a crime and the kids will be reunited later if they are real family it happens to families everyday that are citizens too not a big deal and the kids are still doing better than before, no reason for the uproar
- lern_too_spel 8y ago
  > not a big deal and the kids are still doing better than before, no reason for the uproar Somehow, they handled it just fine and at lower cost without family separation before. If so, why separate them except due to racism? They are now having trouble reuniting families weeks later because of improper tracking.
  - anon12345690 8y ago
    what is before? separation has been around since law started because criminals do not say with their kids when in jail, this happens to citizens too which you ignored thinking that its racism is just you jumping to emotional conclusions there are no problems reuniting families when they are actually families, it is when kids are alone or abused as drug mules that they have to work harder to find where to put them they still leave horrible conditions so why arent you upset over how bad the other countries are?
    - dragonwriter 8y ago
      > what is before? Before Trump’s zero tolerance policy, when criminal charges for illegal crossing were essentially never pursued on their own and families with children targeted for deportation without criminal charges were also (since the court order limiting the use of immigration detention for children) not subjected to immigration detention specifically to avoid separation, and where active steps weren't taken to force entrants seeking asylum to enter illegally by preventing access at ports of entry, which is what actually pushed most of the families subjected to Trump's zero tolerance policy into the system in the first place. > there are no problems reuniting families when they are actually families Yes, in fact, there are, in the present situation. > it is when kids are alone Unaccompanied minors have been a particular problem at times in the past, but that's not the current issue. > or abused as drug mules That happens, but, again, is not the source of the current crisis. > they still leave horrible conditions so why arent you upset over how bad the other countries are? Most people upset about this administration’s blatant and indefensible mistreatment and hostage taking with regard to asylum seekers are, also, unhappy with the conditions in the countries that they are fleeing. Which is actually a big reason why they are upset at the Administration’s further tormenting them when they are trying to flee, and actively preventing them from lawfully seeking asylum.
- dragonwriter 8y ago
  > the parents have committed a crime Largely, because the Administration has taken active steps to prevent lawful asylum applications. > and the kids will be reunited later if they are real family Maybe, sometimes, after the recent court order requiring that; most recently prior to that the kids were being used as hostages to force parents to sign voluntary deportation agreements and give up asylum claims; during and prior to that children were deported separately from their parents and vice versa in a number of cases. And, in any cases, there was no tracking of any kind to facilitate reunification. > not a big deal and the kids are still doing better than before No, they often aren't; especially for the younger children, being forcibly separated from their parents is itself an enormous trauma that will damage their development (social/emotional especially for life.)

dragonwriter 8y ago

> ICE also saves the most lives on the border No, they don't, even before the Trump Administration policy changes that have produced the recent issues. You are confusing ICE with the Border Patrol. They aren't the same thing.