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Well they're all out now, thank goodness. Musk at least tried to do something and he did it quickly. Where was say, the US Navy? In the end it seems they dro

Well they're all out now, thank goodness. Musk at least tried to do something and he did it quickly. Where was say, the US Navy? In the end it seems they dropped full air tanks at regular points long the route out. A super stressed kid can probably go through a tank in short order. I would expect they used one or more of those underwater battery powered pullers so they wouldn't have to kick for the full distance. Simplest is often best in these things but don't throw shade on Musk just because he made an effort.

syntaxing 8y ago
I'm a fan of Musk and what he is trying to achieve through his current company endeavors. But it seems crazy to commend Musk for this particular set of actions. Imagine Musk coming up to you telling you how he can save your burning house by enclosing your house in a super technology bag to prevent oxygen while your local firefighters are already trying to put out the fire out with hoses. Not saying Musk's effort is bad but he doesn't deserve the publicity IMO. The volunteers like the one who discovered the kids and the one that died trying deserve magnitude of credit more because of what they have done. I think there are so much negative remarks is because in Engineering, functionality and practicality is the most important.
s2g 8y ago
> Where was say, the US Navy? Well, 1 former SEAL was dying trying to get the kids oxygen. Musk didn't do anything but tweet about this. He deserves no credit, no praise.
- wilsonnb2 8y ago
  That man was a former Thai Navy SEAL, not a US Navy SEAL. Both nations have SEAL teams.
  - taejo 8y ago
    To be pedantic, he was a Thai Navy Seal (the unit in questions is nicknamed after an animal: it's not an acronym).
    - HeyLaughingBoy 8y ago
      That's not pedantic, it's actually informational. Up until now I was surprised that Thailand also had SEALs. Your clarification makes the whole thing make sense now :-)
wilsonnb2 8y ago
I don't think people are mad that he mad an effort, but that he made a highly publicized effort. There's no reason he couldn't have done everything he did but not talk about it, at least not until after the situation was resolved.
- jjeaff 8y ago
  Porque no los dos? Doing good is doing good. Regardless of the motivation.
  - wilsonnb2 8y ago
    Although it's still a net good, I consider it distasteful to do something good solely or mostly for the publicity it brings, especially in cases like this where it took extra effort to publicize it. Had Elon Musk not made a big deal about it but a media company found out and publicized it, I wouldn't blame him for that.
  - Sangermaine 8y ago
    But he didn't do good, except for himself. What he made was apparently useless.
Sangermaine 8y ago
>Well they're all out now, thank goodness. Musk at least tried to do something and he did it quickly. Where was say, the US Navy? At the site actually helping the rescue operation: >http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/07/09/thailand-cave-rescue-former-navy-seals-react-miracle-mission http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/07/09/thailand-cave-rescue-f... >https://www.defense.gov/News/Article/Article/1569955/dod-personnel-assist-in-thai-cave-rescue-operations/ https://www.defense.gov/News/Article/Article/1569955/dod-per... >http://time.com/5321829/thailand-cave-missing-boys-soccer-team-rescue-flood/ http://time.com/5321829/thailand-cave-missing-boys-soccer-te... Instead of taking advantage of a high-profile crisis for a self-aggrandizing (and as noted here ultimately practically useless) PR stunt. This Musk cult of personality is getting ridiculous. Perhaps if you spent a little less time worshiping Musk you might have known about the actually useful efforts of others like the US military.
geezerjay 8y ago
> Musk at least tried to do something and he did it quickly. You're talking about self-promotion, right?
flukus 8y ago
> Where was say, the US Navy? Staying out of the way and not distracting people with some brand new tech no one was familiar with. He didn't just try and fail, he disrupted (hopefully briefly) the people performing the rescue operation. He did more harm than good.

syntaxing 8y ago

I'm a fan of Musk and what he is trying to achieve through his current company endeavors. But it seems crazy to commend Musk for this particular set of actions. Imagine Musk coming up to you telling you how he can save your burning house by enclosing your house in a super technology bag to prevent oxygen while your local firefighters are already trying to put out the fire out with hoses. Not saying Musk's effort is bad but he doesn't deserve the publicity IMO. The volunteers like the one who discovered the kids and the one that died trying deserve magnitude of credit more because of what they have done. I think there are so much negative remarks is because in Engineering, functionality and practicality is the most important.

s2g 8y ago

> Where was say, the US Navy? Well, 1 former SEAL was dying trying to get the kids oxygen. Musk didn't do anything but tweet about this. He deserves no credit, no praise.

wilsonnb2 8y ago
That man was a former Thai Navy SEAL, not a US Navy SEAL. Both nations have SEAL teams.
- taejo 8y ago
  To be pedantic, he was a Thai Navy Seal (the unit in questions is nicknamed after an animal: it's not an acronym).
  - HeyLaughingBoy 8y ago
    That's not pedantic, it's actually informational. Up until now I was surprised that Thailand also had SEALs. Your clarification makes the whole thing make sense now :-)

wilsonnb2 8y ago

I don't think people are mad that he mad an effort, but that he made a highly publicized effort. There's no reason he couldn't have done everything he did but not talk about it, at least not until after the situation was resolved.

jjeaff 8y ago
Porque no los dos? Doing good is doing good. Regardless of the motivation.
- wilsonnb2 8y ago
  Although it's still a net good, I consider it distasteful to do something good solely or mostly for the publicity it brings, especially in cases like this where it took extra effort to publicize it. Had Elon Musk not made a big deal about it but a media company found out and publicized it, I wouldn't blame him for that.
- Sangermaine 8y ago
  But he didn't do good, except for himself. What he made was apparently useless.

Sangermaine 8y ago

>Well they're all out now, thank goodness. Musk at least tried to do something and he did it quickly. Where was say, the US Navy? At the site actually helping the rescue operation: >http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/07/09/thailand-cave-rescue-former-navy-seals-react-miracle-mission http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/07/09/thailand-cave-rescue-f... >https://www.defense.gov/News/Article/Article/1569955/dod-personnel-assist-in-thai-cave-rescue-operations/ https://www.defense.gov/News/Article/Article/1569955/dod-per... >http://time.com/5321829/thailand-cave-missing-boys-soccer-team-rescue-flood/ http://time.com/5321829/thailand-cave-missing-boys-soccer-te... Instead of taking advantage of a high-profile crisis for a self-aggrandizing (and as noted here ultimately practically useless) PR stunt. This Musk cult of personality is getting ridiculous. Perhaps if you spent a little less time worshiping Musk you might have known about the actually useful efforts of others like the US military.

geezerjay 8y ago

> Musk at least tried to do something and he did it quickly. You're talking about self-promotion, right?

flukus 8y ago

> Where was say, the US Navy? Staying out of the way and not distracting people with some brand new tech no one was familiar with. He didn't just try and fail, he disrupted (hopefully briefly) the people performing the rescue operation. He did more harm than good.