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I think it's hard for another company to win over current Macbook users. Maybe they lost a couple with the whole keyboard fiasco but they will fix it, they're n

I think it's hard for another company to win over current Macbook users. Maybe they lost a couple with the whole keyboard fiasco but they will fix it, they're not stupid. Also, Windows 10 is a really great operating system and they keep dominating the OS market share. The majority of enterprise users use and prefer Windows. I think most of the times we are not being honest about the real impact of productivity between different solutions. Is a proficient developer on Windows less productive than a proficient developer on macOS/Linux? Probably there are some differences; but is it really significant? What about build quality? I know Macs have god-tier touchpads, but if I'm at a desk I carry my mouse around and get by just fine. If I forget my mouse; I'm stuck with the clitoris of my old Lenovo, which I hate but I do my job just fine and don't stress over it. I know we like to nerd out on our choices; but the general market doesn't really care that much and that's why Windows keeps owning.

forapurpose 8y ago
> The majority of enterprise users use and prefer Windows. I think the enterprise CIOs use Windows because switching isn't a consideration; they've made an enormous investment in it, and cost of switching also is astronomical - consider hiring / training an all-new IT staff, development team, etc for the new platform, then recreating/repurchasing and redeploying all software running natively, then retraining every user. Whether or not they like Windows is a non-issue.
- trash_panda 8y ago
  I completely agree. But from my experience, there are actually a lot of users that really like Windows. In a corporate environment it works really well, and that's a good reason to appreciate it. And the fact that CIO/CTOs are not willing to migrate to a new OS may indicate that those "efficiency and productivity gains" macOS users brag about may not be significant :) I really understand the difference between different UIs and hardware, I'm an Linux with i3wm user myself; but I'm not blinded to the fact that even though I may think I'm more productive on a given software/hardware environment; those are not the factors that really weigh in (without going to extremes of course).
  - forapurpose 8y ago
    > there are actually a lot of users that really like Windows. In a corporate environment it works really well, and that's a good reason to appreciate it. / And the fact that CIO/CTOs are not willing to migrate to a new OS may indicate that those "efficiency and productivity gains" macOS users brag about may not be significant :) IMHO, the users' opinion of the OS is meaningless and even a signal of problems. Users should only have to deal with applications (beyond clicking an icon to start the app); the OS is IT department's job. If users have to think about the OS, the IT department isn't doing its job an users are being distracted from doing their jobs (of course, that is a big generalization). Windows has much that IT staff like, such as Active Directory and Group Policy.
kitsunesoba 8y ago
As a developer I’d manage if I had to use Windows, but it wouldn’t be comfortable at all and things like Windows’ horrible font rendering would continue to grate on me no matter how long I use it. I’d fare better with some flavor of Linux but I’d need time to tweak my setup to be just right. A big part of my attraction to macOS is that most things are set up as I prefer right out of the box, with the extent of tweaks necessary being little more than spending 5 minutes in system preferences and downloading Alfred.
JadeNB 8y ago
> Maybe they lost a couple with the whole keyboard fiasco but they will fix it, they're not stupid. (And the TouchBar fiasco.) I would love to think they're just on a temporary excursion that will be corrected, but it sure seems like Apple doesn't care about the PC experience any more and are just moving rather than innovating. I really want to switch, enough that I tried switching to an X220 a while back, but the hardware of even the best just doesn't seem on par.

forapurpose 8y ago

> The majority of enterprise users use and prefer Windows. I think the enterprise CIOs use Windows because switching isn't a consideration; they've made an enormous investment in it, and cost of switching also is astronomical - consider hiring / training an all-new IT staff, development team, etc for the new platform, then recreating/repurchasing and redeploying all software running natively, then retraining every user. Whether or not they like Windows is a non-issue.

trash_panda 8y ago
I completely agree. But from my experience, there are actually a lot of users that really like Windows. In a corporate environment it works really well, and that's a good reason to appreciate it. And the fact that CIO/CTOs are not willing to migrate to a new OS may indicate that those "efficiency and productivity gains" macOS users brag about may not be significant :) I really understand the difference between different UIs and hardware, I'm an Linux with i3wm user myself; but I'm not blinded to the fact that even though I may think I'm more productive on a given software/hardware environment; those are not the factors that really weigh in (without going to extremes of course).
- forapurpose 8y ago
  > there are actually a lot of users that really like Windows. In a corporate environment it works really well, and that's a good reason to appreciate it. / And the fact that CIO/CTOs are not willing to migrate to a new OS may indicate that those "efficiency and productivity gains" macOS users brag about may not be significant :) IMHO, the users' opinion of the OS is meaningless and even a signal of problems. Users should only have to deal with applications (beyond clicking an icon to start the app); the OS is IT department's job. If users have to think about the OS, the IT department isn't doing its job an users are being distracted from doing their jobs (of course, that is a big generalization). Windows has much that IT staff like, such as Active Directory and Group Policy.

kitsunesoba 8y ago

As a developer I’d manage if I had to use Windows, but it wouldn’t be comfortable at all and things like Windows’ horrible font rendering would continue to grate on me no matter how long I use it. I’d fare better with some flavor of Linux but I’d need time to tweak my setup to be just right. A big part of my attraction to macOS is that most things are set up as I prefer right out of the box, with the extent of tweaks necessary being little more than spending 5 minutes in system preferences and downloading Alfred.

JadeNB 8y ago

> Maybe they lost a couple with the whole keyboard fiasco but they will fix it, they're not stupid. (And the TouchBar fiasco.) I would love to think they're just on a temporary excursion that will be corrected, but it sure seems like Apple doesn't care about the PC experience any more and are just moving rather than innovating. I really want to switch, enough that I tried switching to an X220 a while back, but the hardware of even the best just doesn't seem on par.