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Elon Musk replied to the BBC report here: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1016684366083190785 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1016684366083190785 Direc

Elon Musk replied to the BBC report here: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1016684366083190785 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1016684366083190785 Direct quotes from one of the dive team leads: "please keep working on the capsule" and "it is absolutely worth continuing with the development".

kadenshep 8y ago
So the guy actually in charge of the entire thing is somehow wrong, but Elon personally emailed exactly 1 person in charge of 1 team who said "keep working on it", which definitely justifies the entire surrounding PR bonanza and Musk personally showing up to the dive site to do... what exactly? It'd odd that Musk's attempts to discredit the guy in charge of the entire of the operation is somehow not worth pointing out, who no doubt had input from multiple teams he was working close with. Musk then proceeded to release 3 messages between Musk and 1 person, specifically picked to continue this PR spree. To reiterate, the guy in charge of the entire operation said the submarine wasn't going to work with their mission. Musk then proceeds to cherry pick exactly 1 email correspondence between him and 1 other person to invalidate the official's position on the matter (and the fact that the sub was in fact, never used). In Musk's magical bubble (as you can see from the Twitter replies), this is somehow both reasonable and enough to justify his ever continuing pop-sci PR spree. After a certain point, you need to start questioning why he's always in these PR spats and why nothing substantial ever happens to actually validate Musk. I do not personally understand what level of sheer, unbridled optimism is required to look at what Musk is doing and go "Yeah, that's totally okay and noble!" To end: * Musk constantly tweeted/reported on his own team's developments throughout the entire process, even though basically nothing was actually happening. * The guy in charge of the operation said the vehicle would not be used * Musk show's up to the dive site for some selfies, talks with people while taking some extra selfies, and then immediately leaves. * In a true display of ego, Musk proceeds to screenshot 1 email chain between him and 1 other person because he was factually called out on this matter. * Musk fan boys across the internet praise him for doing all of the above and contributing exactly nothing.
- Gabriel_Martin 8y ago
  What is the inverse of a fanboy? An anti-fanboy? Compulsive detractor? Super-carper? There seems to be a large outspoken group of people who go out of their way to talk about Musk despite their apparent dislike of him, rather than just saying nothing and ignoring him, seemingly they feel justified by the fanboys? I think that deserves a title, carper? Detractor? Hard to imagine commenting on this post to just complain about a person only semi-related to the operation.
  - kadenshep 8y ago
    >There seems to be a large outspoken group of people who go out of their way to talk about Musk despite their apparent dislike of him I'm sorry what? Musk constantly gets tons of PR over nothing from news outlets, to reddit, to HN. It's really strange that a reasonable response to constant bombardment of Musk's half-baked ideas and PR stunts is somehow attributable to people's dislike of Musk personally. How is directly providing concrete and factual events to counter a corporate narrative and to dismantle a cult of personality "going out of [their] way" or even evidence of some kind of odd personal hate towards Musk? The entire response is a really cheap, nonconstructive appeal to motive and is quite frankly full of vague personal attacks. I would maybe give you the benefit of the doubt here by saying you probably just don't participate in the same media channels I do, but you're blatantly aware of the situation given your hostile apology to the current perspective on all things Musk. This is so strangely reminiscent of when Steve Jobs was around.
    - astine 8y ago
      "The entire response is a really cheap, nonconstructive appeal to motive and is quite frankly full of vague personal attacks." You should be the last person to complain about this...
      - kadenshep 8y ago
        Why?

kadenshep 8y ago

So the guy actually in charge of the entire thing is somehow wrong, but Elon personally emailed exactly 1 person in charge of 1 team who said "keep working on it", which definitely justifies the entire surrounding PR bonanza and Musk personally showing up to the dive site to do... what exactly? It'd odd that Musk's attempts to discredit the guy in charge of the entire of the operation is somehow not worth pointing out, who no doubt had input from multiple teams he was working close with. Musk then proceeded to release 3 messages between Musk and 1 person, specifically picked to continue this PR spree. To reiterate, the guy in charge of the entire operation said the submarine wasn't going to work with their mission. Musk then proceeds to cherry pick exactly 1 email correspondence between him and 1 other person to invalidate the official's position on the matter (and the fact that the sub was in fact, never used). In Musk's magical bubble (as you can see from the Twitter replies), this is somehow both reasonable and enough to justify his ever continuing pop-sci PR spree. After a certain point, you need to start questioning why he's always in these PR spats and why nothing substantial ever happens to actually validate Musk. I do not personally understand what level of sheer, unbridled optimism is required to look at what Musk is doing and go "Yeah, that's totally okay and noble!" To end: * Musk constantly tweeted/reported on his own team's developments throughout the entire process, even though basically nothing was actually happening. * The guy in charge of the operation said the vehicle would not be used * Musk show's up to the dive site for some selfies, talks with people while taking some extra selfies, and then immediately leaves. * In a true display of ego, Musk proceeds to screenshot 1 email chain between him and 1 other person because he was factually called out on this matter. * Musk fan boys across the internet praise him for doing all of the above and contributing exactly nothing.

Gabriel_Martin 8y ago
What is the inverse of a fanboy? An anti-fanboy? Compulsive detractor? Super-carper? There seems to be a large outspoken group of people who go out of their way to talk about Musk despite their apparent dislike of him, rather than just saying nothing and ignoring him, seemingly they feel justified by the fanboys? I think that deserves a title, carper? Detractor? Hard to imagine commenting on this post to just complain about a person only semi-related to the operation.
- kadenshep 8y ago
  >There seems to be a large outspoken group of people who go out of their way to talk about Musk despite their apparent dislike of him I'm sorry what? Musk constantly gets tons of PR over nothing from news outlets, to reddit, to HN. It's really strange that a reasonable response to constant bombardment of Musk's half-baked ideas and PR stunts is somehow attributable to people's dislike of Musk personally. How is directly providing concrete and factual events to counter a corporate narrative and to dismantle a cult of personality "going out of [their] way" or even evidence of some kind of odd personal hate towards Musk? The entire response is a really cheap, nonconstructive appeal to motive and is quite frankly full of vague personal attacks. I would maybe give you the benefit of the doubt here by saying you probably just don't participate in the same media channels I do, but you're blatantly aware of the situation given your hostile apology to the current perspective on all things Musk. This is so strangely reminiscent of when Steve Jobs was around.
  - astine 8y ago
    "The entire response is a really cheap, nonconstructive appeal to motive and is quite frankly full of vague personal attacks." You should be the last person to complain about this...
    - kadenshep 8y ago
      Why?