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Yea I'm sure the manager who probably makes 10 an hour can just start giving people raises at will. How aggravating indeed.

by volski 16y ago

jimmyjim 16y ago
That he complained that he "never even got a card" meant that he was not appreciated as a friend by his manager-- that's something completely beside the monetary wage. They should have been friends, after 10 years together. And even if the manager was earning a low amount there's no reason that in just one year out of those 10 he could not have given him a Christmas bonus. Even a small amount, so that Mr. Smith would not have been able to say that he "never got a [...] Christmas bonus."
- volski 16y ago
  >That he complained that he "never even got a card" meant that he was not even appreciated by his manager "I kind of forced him" to celebrate holidays, Rogers said. That quote kind of puts a different perspective on it. His roommate had to force holidays on him, so is it a wonder his manager didn't give him cards? Maybe that's just the way he came off. "He might not have meant something to somebody else, but he was like family to us. He meant something to us." - Dayhoff, his boss at Crab Shack. That sounds like he appreciated him to me. Quit acting like you guys care about Neil Smith more than his no-wage-raising, no-bonus-giving, no-card-giving manager. That guy actually lost somebody, you guys didn't. So don't be so quick to call him uncaring.
  - jimmyjim 16y ago
    He explicitly complained to his friend of not getting a card or getting a raise. Celebrating holidays or not is a completely separate issue.
- gcheong 16y ago
  You're taking a couple complaints and extrapolating that to mean his manager did not appreciate him. You don't know to what extent his manager may have tried to show appreciation in other ways or what their relationship was like.
jbm 16y ago
Out of curiosity, do you feel that 10 years of loyal service should not be rewarded with any kind of raise at all? Even if he wasn't earning much more than 8 or 9 dollars an hour even then, but it probably would mean quite a bit for someone in that situation. With inflation, he was actually being paid less 10 years later.
- volski 16y ago
  The real question you should be asking is if his pay is so low, why didn't he get another job? There's a reason he stayed. Did he deserve it? Maybe, the article mentioned he started out as a waiter and (moved up?) to dishwasher. Maybe dishwasher paid more, who knows. But my whole point is a manager in a restaurant has less control over raises than you seem to suggest.
  - jonhendry 16y ago
    "Maybe, the article mentioned he started out as a waiter " I think it was the roommate, Rogers, who had been a waiter.
- BobbyH 16y ago
  > With inflation, he was actually being paid less 10 years later. I looked this up and Neil Alan Smith's wages grew by 41% from 2001 to 2010, outpacing inflation of 23%. Inflation from Aug. 2001 to Aug. 2010 increased prices by 23% (http://inflationdata.com/inflation/inflation_Rate/historicalinflation.aspx http://inflationdata.com/inflation/inflation_Rate/historical...). Neil Alan Smith's wages started in 2001 at the federal minimum wage of $5.15. The federal minimum wage was constant from 1997 to 2007, but Florida passed a minimum wage law increasing its state minimum wage to $6.15 in 2005. Other adjustments to the Florida minimum wage increased his wage to $7.25 by 2010. (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_Florida_minimum_wage_history http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_Florida_minimum_wage_histo... and http://www.floridajobs.org/minimumwage/index.htm http://www.floridajobs.org/minimumwage/index.htm)
- sliverstorm 16y ago
  Odds are if the manager really liked him, the manager would have liked to give him a raise. However, sometimes available finances simply do not warrant a raise. Sometimes higher management who does not know an employee says "why should we pay him more, we can just find another Joe to do the same job", without knowing the measure of the man.

Yea I'm sure the manager who probably makes 10 an hour can just start giving people raises at will. How aggravating indeed.

by volski 16y ago

Yea I'm sure the manager who probably makes 10 an hour can just start giving people raises at will. How aggravating indeed.

jimmyjim 16y ago

That he complained that he "never even got a card" meant that he was not appreciated as a friend by his manager-- that's something completely beside the monetary wage. They should have been friends, after 10 years together. And even if the manager was earning a low amount there's no reason that in just one year out of those 10 he could not have given him a Christmas bonus. Even a small amount, so that Mr. Smith would not have been able to say that he "never got a [...] Christmas bonus."

volski 16y ago
>That he complained that he "never even got a card" meant that he was not even appreciated by his manager "I kind of forced him" to celebrate holidays, Rogers said. That quote kind of puts a different perspective on it. His roommate had to force holidays on him, so is it a wonder his manager didn't give him cards? Maybe that's just the way he came off. "He might not have meant something to somebody else, but he was like family to us. He meant something to us." - Dayhoff, his boss at Crab Shack. That sounds like he appreciated him to me. Quit acting like you guys care about Neil Smith more than his no-wage-raising, no-bonus-giving, no-card-giving manager. That guy actually lost somebody, you guys didn't. So don't be so quick to call him uncaring.
- jimmyjim 16y ago
  He explicitly complained to his friend of not getting a card or getting a raise. Celebrating holidays or not is a completely separate issue.
gcheong 16y ago
You're taking a couple complaints and extrapolating that to mean his manager did not appreciate him. You don't know to what extent his manager may have tried to show appreciation in other ways or what their relationship was like.

jbm 16y ago

Out of curiosity, do you feel that 10 years of loyal service should not be rewarded with any kind of raise at all? Even if he wasn't earning much more than 8 or 9 dollars an hour even then, but it probably would mean quite a bit for someone in that situation. With inflation, he was actually being paid less 10 years later.

volski 16y ago
The real question you should be asking is if his pay is so low, why didn't he get another job? There's a reason he stayed. Did he deserve it? Maybe, the article mentioned he started out as a waiter and (moved up?) to dishwasher. Maybe dishwasher paid more, who knows. But my whole point is a manager in a restaurant has less control over raises than you seem to suggest.
- jonhendry 16y ago
  "Maybe, the article mentioned he started out as a waiter " I think it was the roommate, Rogers, who had been a waiter.
BobbyH 16y ago
> With inflation, he was actually being paid less 10 years later. I looked this up and Neil Alan Smith's wages grew by 41% from 2001 to 2010, outpacing inflation of 23%. Inflation from Aug. 2001 to Aug. 2010 increased prices by 23% (http://inflationdata.com/inflation/inflation_Rate/historicalinflation.aspx http://inflationdata.com/inflation/inflation_Rate/historical...). Neil Alan Smith's wages started in 2001 at the federal minimum wage of $5.15. The federal minimum wage was constant from 1997 to 2007, but Florida passed a minimum wage law increasing its state minimum wage to $6.15 in 2005. Other adjustments to the Florida minimum wage increased his wage to $7.25 by 2010. (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_Florida_minimum_wage_history http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_Florida_minimum_wage_histo... and http://www.floridajobs.org/minimumwage/index.htm http://www.floridajobs.org/minimumwage/index.htm)
sliverstorm 16y ago
Odds are if the manager really liked him, the manager would have liked to give him a raise. However, sometimes available finances simply do not warrant a raise. Sometimes higher management who does not know an employee says "why should we pay him more, we can just find another Joe to do the same job", without knowing the measure of the man.