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I'm not particularly fond of how OpenShift is put together, but it does seem like you're overreacting somewhat. CoreOS is pretty well aligned with Fedora, so i

by rch 8y ago

I'm not particularly fond of how OpenShift is put together, but it does seem like you're overreacting somewhat. CoreOS is pretty well aligned with Fedora, so it makes sense for it to go there organizationally. And while it's inevitable that everything in Red Hat's orbit will have a clear path to OpenShift (and probably Ansible), I'm hopeful that this won't add any noticable overhead to CoreOS/CL itself.

hardwaresofton 8y ago
I took a look at the coreos fedora project[0] as listed by you and others, but it looks immensely experimental right now. From the FAQ[1]: > Fedora CoreOS is under active development and there are currently no downloads available. However, you will be able to download the images from one canonical location via the CoreOS and Fedora websites. The discussions around this development will happen on our community channels. I actually really like Ansible -- it plays well with other tools, scales from small to large infrastructure management needs, and has great documentation with enough escape hatches to make hacky (but functional) solutions possible. I have less of a problem with ansible and more being forced to move more and more into tools that push me towards OpenShift when it doesn't make sense for me. [0]: https://coreos.fedoraproject.org https://coreos.fedoraproject.org [1]: https://coreos.fedoraproject.org/faq https://coreos.fedoraproject.org/faq
- brightball 8y ago
  Yea, I'll 2nd that. Ansible is immensely pragmatic and capable. Been very happy with it.
  - pas 8y ago
    It's slow and hard to debug :( (at least in my experience - setting up OpenStack with it) I used to prefer Chef, but then with CoreOS the dream started to come true, just pack up everything in a container, and 12-factor configure it and that's it, and now I just can't wait for k8s to eat the world, and we'll be back full circle with helm instead of yum/apt.
    - amorousf00p 8y ago
      Not ad-hominem but what do you know how to do? Package other peoples stuff in a config + install and then run scans against it?
      - pas 8y ago
        I don't get what you mean, could you please elaborate a bit?
    - lima 8y ago
      Red Hat uses Ansible to set up the Kubernetes/OpenShift cluster itself.
amorousf00p 8y ago
Fedora: Only if you really like breakage and have staff to deal with integration.

by rch 8y ago

hardwaresofton 8y ago

I took a look at the coreos fedora project[0] as listed by you and others, but it looks immensely experimental right now. From the FAQ[1]: > Fedora CoreOS is under active development and there are currently no downloads available. However, you will be able to download the images from one canonical location via the CoreOS and Fedora websites. The discussions around this development will happen on our community channels. I actually really like Ansible -- it plays well with other tools, scales from small to large infrastructure management needs, and has great documentation with enough escape hatches to make hacky (but functional) solutions possible. I have less of a problem with ansible and more being forced to move more and more into tools that push me towards OpenShift when it doesn't make sense for me. [0]: https://coreos.fedoraproject.org https://coreos.fedoraproject.org [1]: https://coreos.fedoraproject.org/faq https://coreos.fedoraproject.org/faq

brightball 8y ago
Yea, I'll 2nd that. Ansible is immensely pragmatic and capable. Been very happy with it.
- pas 8y ago
  It's slow and hard to debug :( (at least in my experience - setting up OpenStack with it) I used to prefer Chef, but then with CoreOS the dream started to come true, just pack up everything in a container, and 12-factor configure it and that's it, and now I just can't wait for k8s to eat the world, and we'll be back full circle with helm instead of yum/apt.
  - amorousf00p 8y ago
    Not ad-hominem but what do you know how to do? Package other peoples stuff in a config + install and then run scans against it?
    - pas 8y ago
      I don't get what you mean, could you please elaborate a bit?
  - lima 8y ago
    Red Hat uses Ansible to set up the Kubernetes/OpenShift cluster itself.

amorousf00p 8y ago

Fedora: Only if you really like breakage and have staff to deal with integration.