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You are being down voted (probably too glib), but among all the excitement of everyone getting out, there is a rescuer who did die. There have been discussions

You are being down voted (probably too glib), but among all the excitement of everyone getting out, there is a rescuer who did die. There have been discussions about what responsibility people who act recklessly and put the rescuers in harms way should take (unprepared mountain climbers/ people who don't evacuate storms). I too was transfixed by the maps and cave cross sections and did wonder how they got in that far. The parents public statement to the coach was not to assign blame. https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/jul/07/parents-boys-trapped-thai-cave-tell-coach-dont-blame-yourself-rescuers-race-against-time https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/jul/07/parents-boys-tr...

bluGill 8y ago
One factor in this discussion on what do to about "idiots" is: if it weren't for those people who do "stupid things" and require rescue, the rescue organizations would have to hire people to simulate real rescue conditions. There are always situations that require rescue that are not the fault of the victim. We thus need prepared rescuers, and the best preparation is real situations. The problem with a simulation is it is unethical to send someone out without enough food/shelter to potentially survive. Thus you never get a real race against the clock where you have to make life or death decisions without enough information.
- briandear 8y ago
  That’s like saying we should send soldiers to go fight people if there isn’t a real war happening becuse there might be one in the future. Suggesting that this incident was a good thing because it helped the rescue teams train is a bit odd.
lagadu 8y ago
Being a rescue worker is a profession that carries risk, the only place where we could potentially put blame on a rescuer's death would be if the organization that employs them be negligent or if the rescuees had actively tried to harm them. They went in the cave well before the period of time the warnings said not to, they did nothing wrong.
hajile 8y ago
The 1-2-3 of rescue. Save yourself first, your partner second, and the victim last. It's tragic that he died. You aren't supposed to go down more than 1/3 of your air supply so you have the same amount to get back with plus a third for emergencies. In addition, he was literally carrying extra oxygen tanks. I don't know the full story, but from what I understand, he wasn't fouled -- just ran out of air. In that case, it seems like he put the victims ahead of himself by acting recklessly and paid the price.

bluGill 8y ago

One factor in this discussion on what do to about "idiots" is: if it weren't for those people who do "stupid things" and require rescue, the rescue organizations would have to hire people to simulate real rescue conditions. There are always situations that require rescue that are not the fault of the victim. We thus need prepared rescuers, and the best preparation is real situations. The problem with a simulation is it is unethical to send someone out without enough food/shelter to potentially survive. Thus you never get a real race against the clock where you have to make life or death decisions without enough information.

briandear 8y ago
That’s like saying we should send soldiers to go fight people if there isn’t a real war happening becuse there might be one in the future. Suggesting that this incident was a good thing because it helped the rescue teams train is a bit odd.

lagadu 8y ago

Being a rescue worker is a profession that carries risk, the only place where we could potentially put blame on a rescuer's death would be if the organization that employs them be negligent or if the rescuees had actively tried to harm them. They went in the cave well before the period of time the warnings said not to, they did nothing wrong.

hajile 8y ago

The 1-2-3 of rescue. Save yourself first, your partner second, and the victim last. It's tragic that he died. You aren't supposed to go down more than 1/3 of your air supply so you have the same amount to get back with plus a third for emergencies. In addition, he was literally carrying extra oxygen tanks. I don't know the full story, but from what I understand, he wasn't fouled -- just ran out of air. In that case, it seems like he put the victims ahead of himself by acting recklessly and paid the price.