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>and then intended to test for real on live children, when an existing rescue effort underway was working? It was a good alternative to telling them to hold th

>and then intended to test for real on live children, when an existing rescue effort underway was working? It was a good alternative to telling them to hold their breath and dragging them through dark and claustrophobic submerged spaces... They tested it to make sure it was water-tight and easy to maneuver. Worst case you throw an oxygen tank in it and put a full-face regulator on each kid in the event it would have filled with water (which I'm imagining they did in the water anyway). Much easier to control a panicking child in a tube where he can't get at your hoses or slam his head into a rock.

computerex 8y ago
Given that the rescue was a resounding success, I think diving them out turned out to be the best option?
- ryanmercer 8y ago
  They'd already rescued multiple children before Musk even got there, no sense changing what is working. They didn't seem to mind him leaving it behind for future rescues though. shrugs
  - JustSomeNobody 8y ago
    They were being polite. Narongsak Osatanakorn said it was not practical for the mission.
jamessb 8y ago
The closest alternative would probably have been to immobilise the children by strapping them to a spinal board stretcher, and putting a full face SCUBA mask on them [and it seems that the other alternative of letting them swim/walk themselves actually worked]. I don't really understand how the more claustrophobic "submarine" capsule would be an improvement on this.
pdpi 8y ago
> Much easier to control a panicking child in a tube where he can't get at your hoses or slam his head into a rock. Also much easier to get said child into a state of panic by sticking them in a claustrophobia-inducing tube. Also, whatever manoeuvrability characteristics the sub might have had, it was still a rigid tube bigger than the child inside. They were navigating caves, where some of the tunnels were hard to navigate by a single (flexible) adult. I _really_ wouldn't want to even chance getting the sub stuck on a tunnel.
andrepd 8y ago
Clearly that wasn't the alternative here, seeing as the rescue was speedy and successful, so your comment is devoid of content.
hokkos 8y ago
I don't understand the submarine idea, that is an untested device for cave diving, also human breath from a very localized part of their body, so their is no point to pressurize everything, and you keep the flexibility of the body to not have a full metal cylinder around you. If you need to control someone, some anti anxiety pills and a harness are some tested tools for that.
JustSomeNobody 8y ago
> It was a good alternative to telling them to hold their breath and dragging them through dark and claustrophobic submerged spaces... You can't say that?! Those SEALs train ALL the time so they have training to fall back on when things happen. You can't introduce something like this and expect them to use it. They would have no training to fall back on.

computerex 8y ago

Given that the rescue was a resounding success, I think diving them out turned out to be the best option?

ryanmercer 8y ago
They'd already rescued multiple children before Musk even got there, no sense changing what is working. They didn't seem to mind him leaving it behind for future rescues though. shrugs
- JustSomeNobody 8y ago
  They were being polite. Narongsak Osatanakorn said it was not practical for the mission.

jamessb 8y ago

The closest alternative would probably have been to immobilise the children by strapping them to a spinal board stretcher, and putting a full face SCUBA mask on them [and it seems that the other alternative of letting them swim/walk themselves actually worked]. I don't really understand how the more claustrophobic "submarine" capsule would be an improvement on this.

pdpi 8y ago

> Much easier to control a panicking child in a tube where he can't get at your hoses or slam his head into a rock. Also much easier to get said child into a state of panic by sticking them in a claustrophobia-inducing tube. Also, whatever manoeuvrability characteristics the sub might have had, it was still a rigid tube bigger than the child inside. They were navigating caves, where some of the tunnels were hard to navigate by a single (flexible) adult. I _really_ wouldn't want to even chance getting the sub stuck on a tunnel.

andrepd 8y ago

Clearly that wasn't the alternative here, seeing as the rescue was speedy and successful, so your comment is devoid of content.

hokkos 8y ago

I don't understand the submarine idea, that is an untested device for cave diving, also human breath from a very localized part of their body, so their is no point to pressurize everything, and you keep the flexibility of the body to not have a full metal cylinder around you. If you need to control someone, some anti anxiety pills and a harness are some tested tools for that.

JustSomeNobody 8y ago

> It was a good alternative to telling them to hold their breath and dragging them through dark and claustrophobic submerged spaces... You can't say that?! Those SEALs train ALL the time so they have training to fall back on when things happen. You can't introduce something like this and expect them to use it. They would have no training to fall back on.