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He was asked to help? Where did you get that information?

mehrdadn 8y ago
Just Google and click 2 links: https://twitter.com/MabzMagz/status/1014251869760249856 https://twitter.com/MabzMagz/status/1014251869760249856
- ofrzeta 8y ago
  Are you serious? You mean some unknown person on Twitter asked him for help? Someone who has a link to an obscure Play store app in their profile. Oh well ...
  - mehrdadn 8y ago
    I'm pretty serious. You asked a question, I answered it. I'm sorry if you don't like the answer. I don't personally know the full set of people who have asked him for help, but the conversation following the tweet I linked is more than sufficient to prove to you that it was others asking him for help rather than Elon's hubris prompting him to dive into a situation he wasn't welcome at.
    - ofrzeta 8y ago
      It's actually a bit saddening that you are serious. But on the other hand there are people who are doing global politics on Twitter. Usually when you are using the phrase "he has been asked for help" I would imply that he was asked by someone officially responsible for the rescue and not by random people on Twitter. Obviously that hasn't been the case.
      - antris 8y ago
        > Usually when you are using the phrase "he has been asked for help" I would imply that he was asked by someone officially responsible for the rescue and not by random people on Twitter. Obviously that hasn't been the case. How do you know?
        ofrzeta 8y ago
        Well for one, you were the one who claimed that he was asked for help, and now don't tell me, like your buddy, that this is true because someone one Twitter did that. For two, if the Thai government had actually asked Elon Musk for help, surely this would have made the news (and also been tweeted on his account).
        antris 8y ago
        He was asked for help. I never claimed that the Thai government had asked for his help, I simply don't know. Could be, could be not.
        mikejb 8y ago
        The problem is that you used the "he was asked for help" in context of "he didn't force himself on them": > Elon Musk was asked to help, he agreed to come there and now people talk about "hubris" as if he had tried to force his help on them? It does sound like it was an invitation or request for help by a relevant person - rather than just a random twitter user.
        maxerickson 8y ago
        This is a "words mean things" type of thing. If you aren't sure exactly who asked him for help, it's good to say that explicitly at the beginning, because saying it with no qualification actually does imply that the asker is someone involved in the situation and not just some rando.
    - ckastner 8y ago
      > the conversation following the tweet I linked is more than sufficient to prove to you that it was others asking him for help That's technically correct, a random stranger on the Internet asked for help. Has anyone actually involved in the rescue effort asked for help in that effort, though.
      - mehrdadn 8y ago
        If you read the above discussion first: this question didn't pop out of the blue. It was a direct response to someone suggesting Elon's hubris got the better of him and made him insert himself into a situation where he wasn't wanted. If you read the Twitter conversation I linked you, it addresses this point pretty directly. It's obvious that he had no plans to insert himself into the situation until someone else (random guy or not, I don't know) nudged him to.
        ckastner 8y ago
        I did read the discussion first, and my common sense interpretation of the question was whether someone of relevance to the event asked.
        mehrdadn 8y ago
        > I did read the discussion first, and my common sense interpretation of the question was whether someone of relevance to the event asked. Right, so in coming up with that interpretation you completely ignored the rest of the discussion and what the point of this question was. The point was not who the person asking was, or what their credentials were. The point was to figure out whether it was some external or internal force that prompted Elon to help. The status of the person who requested his help does not change whether he was the one who came up with the idea of helping or whether it was someone else who did.
        ckastner 8y ago
        By your logic, I can personally consider myself invited to any party, as long as a random person (even one who has no connection to the party) on Twitter invites me to said party. That tweet might have motivated me to join the party, and I might even contribute to and be very welcome at that party, but to claim that I was invited to the party because some external force prompted me to go there is not common sense.
_rpd 8y ago
The governor of Chiang Rai, Narongsak Osottanakorn, was quoted as saying: "I am the one who invited @SpaceX because my friend works there." https://twitter.com/yayqe/status/1015287476284346368 https://twitter.com/yayqe/status/1015287476284346368

Just Google and click 2 links: https://twitter.com/MabzMagz/status/1014251869760249856 https://twitter.com/MabzMagz/status/1014251869760249856

ofrzeta 8y ago
Are you serious? You mean some unknown person on Twitter asked him for help? Someone who has a link to an obscure Play store app in their profile. Oh well ...
- mehrdadn 8y ago
  I'm pretty serious. You asked a question, I answered it. I'm sorry if you don't like the answer. I don't personally know the full set of people who have asked him for help, but the conversation following the tweet I linked is more than sufficient to prove to you that it was others asking him for help rather than Elon's hubris prompting him to dive into a situation he wasn't welcome at.
  - ofrzeta 8y ago
    It's actually a bit saddening that you are serious. But on the other hand there are people who are doing global politics on Twitter. Usually when you are using the phrase "he has been asked for help" I would imply that he was asked by someone officially responsible for the rescue and not by random people on Twitter. Obviously that hasn't been the case.
    - antris 8y ago
      > Usually when you are using the phrase "he has been asked for help" I would imply that he was asked by someone officially responsible for the rescue and not by random people on Twitter. Obviously that hasn't been the case. How do you know?
      - ofrzeta 8y ago
        Well for one, you were the one who claimed that he was asked for help, and now don't tell me, like your buddy, that this is true because someone one Twitter did that. For two, if the Thai government had actually asked Elon Musk for help, surely this would have made the news (and also been tweeted on his account).
        antris 8y ago
        He was asked for help. I never claimed that the Thai government had asked for his help, I simply don't know. Could be, could be not.
        mikejb 8y ago
        The problem is that you used the "he was asked for help" in context of "he didn't force himself on them": > Elon Musk was asked to help, he agreed to come there and now people talk about "hubris" as if he had tried to force his help on them? It does sound like it was an invitation or request for help by a relevant person - rather than just a random twitter user.
      - maxerickson 8y ago
        This is a "words mean things" type of thing. If you aren't sure exactly who asked him for help, it's good to say that explicitly at the beginning, because saying it with no qualification actually does imply that the asker is someone involved in the situation and not just some rando.
  - ckastner 8y ago
    > the conversation following the tweet I linked is more than sufficient to prove to you that it was others asking him for help That's technically correct, a random stranger on the Internet asked for help. Has anyone actually involved in the rescue effort asked for help in that effort, though.
    - mehrdadn 8y ago
      If you read the above discussion first: this question didn't pop out of the blue. It was a direct response to someone suggesting Elon's hubris got the better of him and made him insert himself into a situation where he wasn't wanted. If you read the Twitter conversation I linked you, it addresses this point pretty directly. It's obvious that he had no plans to insert himself into the situation until someone else (random guy or not, I don't know) nudged him to.
      - ckastner 8y ago
        I did read the discussion first, and my common sense interpretation of the question was whether someone of relevance to the event asked.
        mehrdadn 8y ago
        > I did read the discussion first, and my common sense interpretation of the question was whether someone of relevance to the event asked. Right, so in coming up with that interpretation you completely ignored the rest of the discussion and what the point of this question was. The point was not who the person asking was, or what their credentials were. The point was to figure out whether it was some external or internal force that prompted Elon to help. The status of the person who requested his help does not change whether he was the one who came up with the idea of helping or whether it was someone else who did.
        ckastner 8y ago
        By your logic, I can personally consider myself invited to any party, as long as a random person (even one who has no connection to the party) on Twitter invites me to said party. That tweet might have motivated me to join the party, and I might even contribute to and be very welcome at that party, but to claim that I was invited to the party because some external force prompted me to go there is not common sense.

_rpd 8y ago

The governor of Chiang Rai, Narongsak Osottanakorn, was quoted as saying: "I am the one who invited @SpaceX because my friend works there." https://twitter.com/yayqe/status/1015287476284346368 https://twitter.com/yayqe/status/1015287476284346368