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>Can't famous people even help kids stuck in a cave without someone criticizing them for it? Yes, easily: 1. Don't press release (or tweet); treat what you ar

>Can't famous people even help kids stuck in a cave without someone criticizing them for it? Yes, easily: 1. Don't press release (or tweet); treat what you are doing with confidentiality. 2. Actually help in a way that's helpful. Here's a good example http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/01/15/george-michael-secretly-donated-500000-to-hiv-aids-charity/ http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/01/15/george-michael-secretly...

codeulike 8y ago
I kind of agree with (1) but (2) in this case is just 'built something to meet the requirements but everything had moved on by time of delivery' which I think is something all of us engineers here have experience of.
- learnstats2 8y ago
  Elon Musk could have given money to the experts on the ground who were actually in the situation and knew what was needed. Instead, he wrongly assumed he knew better.
  - codeulike 8y ago
    Not that he knew better, just that he/spacex could contribute something that no-one else could. I don't think money was ever a problem in this situation.
  - antris 8y ago
    How do you know if Musk gave them money or not? How do you know if money was even the issue? How do you know Musk thought he knew better? Where is this coming from? Do you always assume you know everything that other people are doing/not doing or thinking/not thinking?
  - mehrdadn 8y ago
    From where do you get the impression that money can solve any problem?
  - nickik 8y ago
    They didn't ask him for money, money was not the issue. If they had asked him for money he would have probably helped out. They asked his engineers for help and they tried to help. He didn't think he 'knew better' he tried something and offered it as an idea to the people responsible. Did he say 'fuck those assholes they should have used my solution'? The toxic nature on the internet is so disgusting and unnecessary.
antris 8y ago
1) If someone is helping, I don't give a ---- what they say about it. Actions speak louder than words. People criticizing Musk probably haven't lifted a finger themselves to help the kids. 2) How do you know if Musk's help wasn't helpful? Do you work at the rescue site?
- InitialLastName 8y ago
  I think the criticism of Musk is exactly that the words spoke louder than the actions. Very few of the people criticising Musk had the ability to do anything to help the kids. He is in a rare situation to have the flexibility and resources to make significant financial and/or logistical contributions to literally any cause he notices. In this case, he did it in the most self-aggrandizing way possible, while appearing to make no actual contribution.
- s2g 8y ago
  > People criticizing Musk probably haven't lifted a finger themselves to help the kids. True, but I recognize that I don't have any relevant skills or any way to help from the other side of hte pacific. The main difference is I'm not tweeting about how I'm totally going to solve this, and then getting credit doing pretty much just that.
kamaal 8y ago
These are some new level religious terms and conditions. Expecting and feeling entitled for help to arrive on your terms and conditions. In fact you seem to have taken this a little tad too far. The observers wish to declare on what terms(moral, ethical or others) the victim and helper need to comply with to work with each other. With the observers themselves contributing nothing to improve the situation at hand.

codeulike 8y ago

I kind of agree with (1) but (2) in this case is just 'built something to meet the requirements but everything had moved on by time of delivery' which I think is something all of us engineers here have experience of.

learnstats2 8y ago
Elon Musk could have given money to the experts on the ground who were actually in the situation and knew what was needed. Instead, he wrongly assumed he knew better.
- codeulike 8y ago
  Not that he knew better, just that he/spacex could contribute something that no-one else could. I don't think money was ever a problem in this situation.
- antris 8y ago
  How do you know if Musk gave them money or not? How do you know if money was even the issue? How do you know Musk thought he knew better? Where is this coming from? Do you always assume you know everything that other people are doing/not doing or thinking/not thinking?
- mehrdadn 8y ago
  From where do you get the impression that money can solve any problem?
- nickik 8y ago
  They didn't ask him for money, money was not the issue. If they had asked him for money he would have probably helped out. They asked his engineers for help and they tried to help. He didn't think he 'knew better' he tried something and offered it as an idea to the people responsible. Did he say 'fuck those assholes they should have used my solution'? The toxic nature on the internet is so disgusting and unnecessary.

antris 8y ago

1) If someone is helping, I don't give a ---- what they say about it. Actions speak louder than words. People criticizing Musk probably haven't lifted a finger themselves to help the kids. 2) How do you know if Musk's help wasn't helpful? Do you work at the rescue site?

InitialLastName 8y ago
I think the criticism of Musk is exactly that the words spoke louder than the actions. Very few of the people criticising Musk had the ability to do anything to help the kids. He is in a rare situation to have the flexibility and resources to make significant financial and/or logistical contributions to literally any cause he notices. In this case, he did it in the most self-aggrandizing way possible, while appearing to make no actual contribution.
s2g 8y ago
> People criticizing Musk probably haven't lifted a finger themselves to help the kids. True, but I recognize that I don't have any relevant skills or any way to help from the other side of hte pacific. The main difference is I'm not tweeting about how I'm totally going to solve this, and then getting credit doing pretty much just that.

kamaal 8y ago

These are some new level religious terms and conditions. Expecting and feeling entitled for help to arrive on your terms and conditions. In fact you seem to have taken this a little tad too far. The observers wish to declare on what terms(moral, ethical or others) the victim and helper need to comply with to work with each other. With the observers themselves contributing nothing to improve the situation at hand.