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It's been tried and it's really not that easy. - Cars will make turns that cross your protected bike path and with parking in the way, a bike's already minimal

It's been tried and it's really not that easy. - Cars will make turns that cross your protected bike path and with parking in the way, a bike's already minimal visible cross section is reduced even more. - Bikes need to make left turns which is difficult when there are parked cars in the way. - Pedestrians will happily walk everywhere in your bike lane (oblivious to your bell ringing due to headphones), regardless of whatever paint you delineate the two areas. In areas with these kinds of bike lanes, I generally ride in the street with the cars. It's safer and faster.

KozmoNau7 8y ago
>"Cars will make turns that cross your protected bike path and with parking in the way, a bike's already minimal visible cross section is reduced even more." Proper turning/bike lane design and prioritized space for cyclists takes good care of this. In lighted intersections, stagger the lights so bikes have priority. >" Bikes need to make left turns which is difficult when there are parked cars in the way." Make bikes do hook turns (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hook_turn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hook_turn) instead of using the cars' left turn lanes. It's significantly safer and doesn't require bikes to cross traffic lanes. >"Pedestrians will happily walk everywhere in your bike lane (oblivious to your bell ringing due to headphones), regardless of whatever paint you delineate the two areas." Delineate with a curb instead of just a line, to make the separation clear.
- Steltek 8y ago
  > Proper turning/bike lane design and prioritized space for cyclists takes good care of this. In lighted intersections, stagger the lights so bikes have priority. At the one intersection I'm most familiar with, a separate bike light almost always results in the driver becoming confused and causing a near crash. I've learned to wait a few seconds to avoid being hit. > Make bikes do hook turns (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hook_turn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hook_turn) instead of using the cars' left turn lanes. It's significantly safer and doesn't require bikes to cross traffic lanes. That takes signficantly longer, as you're guaranteed to sit through at least one signal phase. Again at my favoritist intersection ever, hook turns are what are marked but only newbie bikers use this technique. Everyone else just takes their chances doing something radical so they're no better off.
  - KozmoNau7 8y ago
    A certain minimum level of driver/rider education and sense of self-preservation is also needed, obviously.

KozmoNau7 8y ago

>"Cars will make turns that cross your protected bike path and with parking in the way, a bike's already minimal visible cross section is reduced even more." Proper turning/bike lane design and prioritized space for cyclists takes good care of this. In lighted intersections, stagger the lights so bikes have priority. >" Bikes need to make left turns which is difficult when there are parked cars in the way." Make bikes do hook turns (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hook_turn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hook_turn) instead of using the cars' left turn lanes. It's significantly safer and doesn't require bikes to cross traffic lanes. >"Pedestrians will happily walk everywhere in your bike lane (oblivious to your bell ringing due to headphones), regardless of whatever paint you delineate the two areas." Delineate with a curb instead of just a line, to make the separation clear.

Steltek 8y ago
> Proper turning/bike lane design and prioritized space for cyclists takes good care of this. In lighted intersections, stagger the lights so bikes have priority. At the one intersection I'm most familiar with, a separate bike light almost always results in the driver becoming confused and causing a near crash. I've learned to wait a few seconds to avoid being hit. > Make bikes do hook turns (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hook_turn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hook_turn) instead of using the cars' left turn lanes. It's significantly safer and doesn't require bikes to cross traffic lanes. That takes signficantly longer, as you're guaranteed to sit through at least one signal phase. Again at my favoritist intersection ever, hook turns are what are marked but only newbie bikers use this technique. Everyone else just takes their chances doing something radical so they're no better off.
- KozmoNau7 8y ago
  A certain minimum level of driver/rider education and sense of self-preservation is also needed, obviously.